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This document discusses the controversy surrounding the interpretation of "Oshe Melli" (5-5) in the Ifá divination system within the Yoruba religion. Some believe that having 5-5 in Elegguá or in the guardian Orisha prevents certain religious activities such as washings, karioshas, or consecrations. Others argue that this interpretation unfairly limits the spiritual development of women and LGBTQ+ individuals. Opinions are being sought on this controversy.
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Oshe Melli - Religion and Santeria

This document discusses the controversy surrounding the interpretation of "Oshe Melli" (5-5) in the Ifá divination system within the Yoruba religion. Some believe that having 5-5 in Elegguá or in the guardian Orisha prevents certain religious activities such as washings, karioshas, or consecrations. Others argue that this interpretation unfairly limits the spiritual development of women and LGBTQ+ individuals. Opinions are being sought on this controversy.
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Prospero... If this is so, how is it that a person with this sign cannot The ñangareo
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AnonymousApril 1, 2015, 1:22 PM yourself

Hello to everyone visiting this website, my personal opinion and for Palo Mayombe
what I have studied in OSHA is called oshe tonti oshe (5-5), for Shango.
another part is called meyi because the numbers (because they are goodbye
numbers) or sign are equal, at the moment of throwing the snail
first he gave 5 and then in the second throw he gives 5 they edit oshe
tonti oshe as I explained before since there is only one
snail game, the only way to say oshe melli is by
it turns out that the complete sign oshe melli comes out there, it is worth noting that
it is a sign of abundance, and the most important thing to emphasize
It is about taking care of health, one's own blood as well as that of the family.
etc.

Omi Okan December 17, 2015, 2:04

ashe mano oshe tonti oshe speaks of the blood of diseases


just now about the pressure etc...

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José Carlos Díaz Díaz November 20, 2010, 15:48

Hello everyone,

I am Cuban, I practice this religion and I would like to thank the authors of this.
blog, first because it seriously discusses Yoruba religion, with writings
interesting, which usually can only be found in books. I have also
I have seen some beautiful things here, like the saints' costumes, they are wonderful.
those photos that show.

For this reason, I am going to make some criticisms, especially regarding the language.
Spanish. One thing is to write in Yoruba language and another is to write in Spanish.
BAD, as for example in this post it is written "ciempre" and "valla" with mistakes.
about spelling, it seems like something unimportant but it detracts from what is being
saying.

I voluntarily offer to make corrections without asking for anything in return.


to the articles that are written.

My sincere greetings,
José Carlos.

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AnonymousFebruary 17, 2014, 15:02

YOU ARE LIKE ANY OTHER OF THOSE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE


WHAT THEY ARE DOING AROUND HERE WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ANYTHING
THEY THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING, I LAUGH AT IDIOTS LIKE YOU
THAT INSTEAD OF THANKING FOR WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT, YOU LEAVE.
CRITICIZING EVERYTHING

maykel salcedo July 5, 2014, 11:53


The corrections are necessary, thank you very much José Carlos Díaz
Díaz, this allows us to improve the quality of the content that

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mariavegaFebruary 5, 2015, 11:07


Mr. Carlos, I had a dream where someone was telling me they have you in
hands of oshe meli, I am not of the religion, but I got up
I searched the internet and my surprise was that the name does exist, the
which I had never heard, can you tell me what that means,
I will be grateful, just out of curiosity, nothing more.

there's PedroOctober 4, 2015, 3:36 PM


Oche Melly is one of the most important signs of Ifa that exists in this.
the goddess of love Ochún governs, it is a very beautiful sign because
talks about disconnection in the person but at the same time it is bad because
blood that runs through the veins speaks of taking care of health
especially the belly and take care with the family they do not give you the merit
What you deserve. This is said by a girl from this religion who has made it.
Yemaya with San Lázaro and I have Oche Melly in Yemaya.

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AnonymousMay 7, 2011, 21:22

I have crowned Ochun and my father is Ogun, my mother closed me with Oche Melli.
According to my obba, I can yubonear and deliver santos of ardimu with everything.
respect that he deserves, I apologize but I am in a dilemma several
They tell me that some say yes, but there is a limitation on delivering to my mother.
But I want to clarify my situation; I really want to work and learn.
Religion but I want to know what I can and cannot do. Another question, can I submit?
Holy wash, please help me. I want to learn and help my neighbor in this.
let me do

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I change January 13, 2014, 11:27

Excuse me,,, I have crowned Shango many years ago,,, in my


branch of saint who has oshe melli (5-5) in the angel of the
Look,,,in the religious activities they work in the kitchen,,, there
Oshun is telling you that she wants you to worship her, that she only wants you for...
She,,, you can't crown saints,,, nor can you deliver orishas,,, k
they would be the feathered saints,,, there it says to have it in a
pedestal,, what do you want for her,,, I don't know if I'm making myself clear but I try
to convey to you what I know about the sign

AnonymousJanuary 31, 2014, 10:33

What Oni chango says is true. In my opinion, she should seek.


other ways to help with religion like working on the side
spiritual whether with the Mayombe stick reading cards, the
spiritualism since Oshun wants you only for herself daughter has one of
the most debated signs in OSHA and should not be worked on anymore
that this oddun talks about many diseases and while
we studied the past of OSHA when the rules were created
that oddun is closed because it has been proven that the child
the oshe tonti oshe were very good religious as they are fortune tellers
They were born and had a lot of people, but their health was declining.
it was where they decided to prohibit people with that oddun
they will give birth to and work on the religion EYE it is also said that it was for
selfishness of the people of that time since they are fortunate individuals
of an abundant religious people. [email protected]

AnonymousJanuary 31, 2014, 10:38

I also tell you that we cannot talk about oddun of osha in the
closed term because OSHA does not close unlike IFA.

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AnonymousFebruary 17, 2014, 3:09 PM

DEAR MINE, NO MAN YOU ASK ABOUT


RELIGION WILL PLACE WOMEN AT THE LEVEL THAT IT
CORRESPOND, MAY YOU HAVE OSHE MELLI IN YOUR ANGEL
TUTELAR TELLS YOU THAT IF CROWNS IT COULD BE THAT
THE GODSON MAY TURN OUT TO BE A MESS BECAUSE OSHE IS
BLOOD, THE BIRTH OF EVIL, THE DEVIATION OF
THE GOOD PRECEPTS ECT, BUT MI
ADVICE, CROWNED MONKEY DAUGHTER OF YEMAYA WOMAN AND
WITH A HUGE ACHIEVEMENT THANKS TO GOD AND BEING A DAUGHTER OF
UNLE MELLI CALLED TO BE HEAD BAD FOR HIM
MANY, IT'S JUST THAT EVERY TIME YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH SOMEONE
ASKING FOR YOUR CHARITY TO TAKE HIM BEFORE YOUR ANGEL
FROM THE GUARD TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS WITHOUT CARING about what others think

Anyone could have told you on the ita mat or descent of


snail, another man who possibly like almost all of them
THEY WANT TO OMIT OUR ROLE IN THIS RELIGION.
CHANGO

Maykel Salcedo July 5, 2014, 11:57 AM


It's not a matter of role, it's a matter of whether you have 5-5 in your orisha.
You cannot work on religion as a frontman, whether you are a man or a woman.

AnonymousFebruary 5, 2015, 1:20 PM

in eight hundred thousand...with respect...you have a huge desire to help the


projimo. this is the smallest sign but with the most power. that
Yes, with the dead the eggun, the spiritual world. That is where you are.
Grace. The glass of water, the spirits, the cards, etc., explore that field. He
I have seen many people reign with that sign, and it has been that way.
hug with much respect. obbailu

Belkys Jimenez October 26, 2015, 4:40

Nowadays, all religious people are incredibly lacking.


respect before the eyes of Olofi, of the dead, of Elegua and of all
religion I am nobody to comment on the atrocities, mistakes
and everyone will account for their own disrespect when the time comes.
moment God bless you all AMEN

Savior Francis February 4, 2016, 9:42

Hello, very good morning, I am in a training process which


I want some guidance, I have been looking for information about this sign.
(5-5), I have really looked in various materials on signs and I can't seem to find.
to find that the Santero closes to make osha, it could be
that the material I have to study is not the right one, with
I humbly request information from the forum members about 5-5 and
learn what many know here, from what I have seen in forums the
being closed comes from a culture and the great love of the saint towards
your son, however, I would not want to debate what I have not yet finished
I just want them to help me study, I always live my
life as a student I don't want anyone to be offended
Sorry everyone, I'll leave my email in case you have study guides.
[email protected]

Lucas Ponce February 11, 2016, 11:34 PM


hey, I give you a piece of advice, having an oshe meyi is good on one hand
another because you don't work religion but my advice to you is that
don't pay attention to that because that's where the saint is coming to speak
that does not want you to lend it or give it away because it adores you so much that
he doesn't want you to share it with anyone where he says he will give you everything
a little but always safe, where you don't need any of that, so
Take care with that oshe meyi so that it doesn't bring you problems.
luck I have oshe meyi in azojuano and I'm doing super well and I have
I echo directly to the ancestors and my mother is Oshun.

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NONOJuly 18, 2016, 11:08 PM

Lucas, I also have made asojuano and it is a shame that


we are so few that our dad gave you eight melons what you
I can say that there is no question of whether you do well or poorly, just
we must be obedient to the saints and what they have told you
in it, oche melli talks about how they only want you to worship them
as you say, but it also says that you must take care of yourself and
mainly from a blood disease such as diabetes.

Antonio Sifontes August 12, 2016, 14:12


Hey boy, I also have oshe meyi and I was really looking forward to it.
like you to work the osha but as the oshe sign says
I am a spiritualist and nowadays I help many people by consulting.
with the cards I not only do that, I also perform spiritual transportations and
I hold masses for the iyawoses, what I want to tell you is that each
Religious individuals are born with a different ashe; some are crowned saints and can predict.

through the snail others like the ones we took oshe meyi
we send letters, consult with tobacco, and even transport
spirits only that you must develop to work the dead there
This you will see, I assure you, I have oshe meyi in my yemaya and I...
whatever I ask that lady she grants it to me so come on that
you have a divine gift from God that is to achieve seeing that tunnel
between the material and the spiritual

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AnonymousSeptember 12, 2011, 12:24


I don't think you should deliver anything, you are closed because of your.

Guardian Angel, I also have crowned Oshun

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AnonymousSeptember 22, 2011, 10:39

I have crowned Shango and I also have Oshe Meyi

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AnonymousSeptember 22, 2011, 10:41

I don't think it's the best answer, please whoever wishes


LET'S GET RID OF DOUBTS THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH BASES AND NOT JUST WITH

SAY NO YOU MUST NOT. PARTICULARLY I WANT TO KNOW WHY?


SINCE I HAVE READ MY SIGN AND IT ONLY SAYS THE PERSON CANNOT
REMOVE THE SNAIL BUT I HAVE NOT READ WHERE WE CANNOT DO IT
OTHER THINGS

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AnonymousMarch 29, 2013, 15:09

Sure, Oshe Melli says you can't throw the snail but also
I tell you not to sell me, lend me, or give me anything; ask me what
You want, but that's why you can't deliver it, that's why I ask you.
lock

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AnonymousNovember 27, 2011, 1:44 PM

Hello, I also want to say that because of Oriate I am in this sign because I
I have 5 5 by mistake of obab

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I change January 13, 2014, 11:29

The oracle must be very attentive, because I say it in


EVEN IF IT'S A MISTAKE, IT REACHES OLOFIN,,, THAT'S IT
THE LO K OLOFIN RECEIVES,,

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AnonymousJanuary 7, 2012, 1:00

It is a disaster what they do in the Itases and they do not provide the proper explanation.
Even if it is not absolute, they should explain something and not close off to the...
people do it by repeating verb forms of learning, such as
parrots, without explanation that the sustainer

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AnonymousMarch 31, 2012, 14:24

I have crowned Ogun with Oshun and I received 5 5 OSHE MELLY IN OBATALA
I would like to know something about my path in OSHA.

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AnonymousSeptember 22, 2012, 20:09

How much do you have, oh Mayi, in a saint or head sign you cannot crown?
deliver it

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I have PedroOctober 4, 2015, 15:43


When you have an eight-melli in a saint, you cannot give it away and if you do
comes out in the angel of your guard you can't make any saint nor
neither of them.

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AnonymousDecember 2, 2012, 18:13

In my ita, elegua gave me 57 and my guardian angel also 57 but me


They closed Oshe Meyi, can someone tell me what it means that it closed and if so?
I have Oshun, I have the angel of the guard, or I have Oshun and another doubt I follow.
for all the advice from all the saints that I received But which one identifies me
with which closes or with the sign that my angel from L.A. guard has

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AnonymousMarch 26, 2013, 8:50

I think they close you down because you have eight moles on your hands, it's
say one is the first odd number which is 5 and the first of yours
feet (elegua) that is 5, then that oddun gives you the sign that
you take out with your hands (5-5) oche melli. Maybe that is the reason, without
It would be necessary to investigate if a person has eight twins.
Is it closed by his hands for the saint?

AnonymousMarch 31, 2013, 1:01 PM

Oh, those Italians who like to change people's astrals, her.


has eight of (57) in Elegua and eight of (57) in his guardian angel
It's not closing for you anywhere over there.

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jose luis Contreras July 2, 2013, 18:38


It is your astral and no one can change it, okay? The Italian is in it.
Correct, since the person opened with (5) and closed with (5), how about that?
And let's go to logic.
(5-7) is a sign of war, and of great discontent,

AnonymousAugust 6, 2013, 21:35

To all, this religion is very beautiful and has many things in it.
what you can help if it is true oche meyi closes depending
Wherever you bring it, and if the saint does it, there is a reason for the sign.
made up of the first two of head and elewa is called sign
by hand or sign around the world when you have eight meyi there you are
one whose hands are tied cannot do things
but think about this religion, it is not only crowned, it is consulted nor is it
There are many more things you can do in it alone.
look for things you can do to help others and
remember the oche meyi we carry it in the holy hands or head
but not in the heart or mind humility respect and belief
let's demonstrate that this religion is of prosperity and wisdom ashe
to iba echu

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AnonymousJanuary 4, 2013, 18:26

I have crowned monkey and got 5-5 in Elegua, they tell me that I cannot.
to crown, neither to work in saint that is certainly all of that?

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AnonymousMarch 31, 2013, 1:05 PM

If it's true, why is Elegua blocking you in the Ocha? You cannot.
Remove the snail, if you are a man you can pass to Ifa.! The case of Oche
guys when they say they are stuck in OSHA it is because
They CANNOT throw the snail
no type of washing sink

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AnonymousFebruary 24, 2013, 1:41

I have crowned Oshun and it gave me 5-5 because they seal it if no oddun says that.
It is closed because not even Olifi closed it. If Olifi didn't close it, why do they say it is?
closed.....

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The article agreement is closed for crowning saint, ..On the other hand, I am from
Venezuela and the obba told him that he was closed for that saint and that he did not
I could crown it, without closing it completely for the other saints! My question
It is completely closed and has to go to IFA, or it just cannot.
to crown that saint!. Why does the owner of this blog not respond to all the
What doubts exist? The idea is to debate... Thank you.

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AnonymousMarch 31, 2013, 1:15 PM

When we give birth to a saint, that is, we make a saint through the entrails.
in one of the fundamental saints in the case your son has
Osha Melli in Obatala cannot give birth because I explain the sign that

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He has in Obatala is Oshe Melli that tells Obatala with that sign.
Don't sell me, lend me, or gift me. He can yubonear if he wants.
you can continue in Ocha with limitations such as not making saints

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AnonymousApril 3, 2013, 2:38

Well, I want someone to tell me what sign Oshi Meyi was born under.
locked up to where I understand it can't be done is to make the saint where I took out
As far as I know, this sign prohibits throwing the snail but does not say that you cannot.
can give birth to a saint.....

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AnonymousMay 3, 2013, 11:06

Good morning gentlemen, 5-5 says neither sell me nor give me away nor
this is interpretive in that sign if it comes out in elegua it is you
bone path in the osha you can't do anything neither wash nor deliver
nothing ...! If it comes out in another saint other than your crown then
You would be closed for the ec saint not for everyone just those who close with
5-5 is elevated and your head sign if you have 5-5 on your hand.
Could you ask your guardian angel if you can work or not?
Thank you and blessings to all, OBBA ADDE bids farewell.
Venezuela

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AnonymousMay 7, 2013, 12:03 AM

Okay, that's fine, and if at least one person has 5-7 in elegua and 5-5 in theirs.
corona cannot work the osha

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AnonymousMay 11, 2013, 9:32

good eveni... responding to your question, there is Elegua saying the one who must
and payment remains free but the melli angel of the guard is saying
that only wants it for the person, don’t sell me, nor lend me, nor give me
gifts... the saint just to adore him for being his guardian angel who has
the national wish

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AnonymousMay 12, 2013, 12:55 AM

ok that's fine and how is it done when person x has 5-5 for example in shango
and a saint is going to be born like they do...

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smallJune 18, 2013, 23:38

Good evening, I have crowned Yemaya for 3 months and I have an oshe.
My boyfriend is also the son of Yemaya. What is true about having...
this sign I have forbidden for the children of Yemaya. Because my godfather of my
my boyfriend forbade me to be with him because of my sign

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AnonymousJune 21, 2013, 9:00

Good, well friend, of course you have forbidden the children of Yemaya, but if the
your partner doesn't matter that has nothing to do with it because they are partners while you
Don't hold any kind of ceremony for him, you have no problem. If already.

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They were a couple before you became a saint. It has nothing to do with it, oh Yemaya.
neither sell me nor give me nor lend me, I also have oshe meyi in
my guardian angel and from this sign you will hear any amount of
things you cannot give birth to saint nor do anything in the osha I'm telling you something that is
Lie, what you can't do is touch the children of Yemaya, thank you, I hope.
you understand.....

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AnonymousJune 28, 2013, 21:17

My guardian angel is Yemaya and she gave me 5-5 but in the advice of the OBA.
In Yemaya, she said that it was not closed, that Yemaya does not close me, what can I give?
Every deity except Yemaya, because my mother loves her so much that she doesn't want her.
don't share with anyone.....can you help me or give me advice

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jose luis Contreras July 2, 2013, 18:31


If you can't deliver YEMAYA, who is your guardian angel, then no.
you are doing nothing at the time of making a saint, remember
whenever you have to give position to your guardian angel, it is
preferably Yubonees and not to make a saint but to deliver to
Yemaya, obviously you don't do anything. The one who really closes is
ELEGGUA and the guardian angel.

AnonymousJune 26, 2014, 17:56

Respect your elders and listen to your Obba... what was said in
ITA is respected... It is for the person's own good...

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anonymousJuly 2, 2013, 9:39


Hello, my godfather has crowned Obbatalá and he has 5.5 in the I am going to
Coronar Shango will be that he can be my oyubona.

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AnonymousJuly 2, 2013, 3:26 PM

and it can even give birth to you of course if he wants when this sign comes in any
the saint cannot deliver it because the saint comes to give you everything that's why the saying 'neither...'

neither sell me nor lend me nor give me can any saint do except for
the one who has this sign....

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jose luis Contreras July 2, 2013, 18:17

Greetings

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jose luis Contreras July 2, 2013, 18:25


That sign is very controversial, the person who has (5-5) in Eleggua does not
You can consult with your Diloggun; if it is a man, he has to go to Ifa, in the woman.
work with spirits and consult the cards

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AnonymousJuly 7, 2013, 2:43

Someone tell me in what sign he is born that 5-5 is closed that he cannot.
Holy to give birth, may someone tell me....

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AnonymousJuly 28, 2013, 10:23

Hello fellow writers of this forum.


It is good that you contribute to the progress and development of the religion of
Orisha.
However, I would just like to make a small observation from my point of view.
personal view and without contradicting others because there is something that I am not
agreement
1. That in a Itá the Orísha that is speaking to the Iyawó instructs him to do
something for another, for it is understood that each one speaks for his Dilogún.
2. That an Iyawó draws the odu that he draws, may he be diverted from his path of
Olorisha (santero) telling him that 'he cannot' use his Dilogún to do so.
to know the will of your Orisha. So why did Osha do it? It doesn't matter.
any idea that someone presents, that is totally incorrect and lacking in
ethics. It's like knowing who your true parents are and saying the opposite.
3. That a priest of Osha advises with the Dilogún something concerning Ifá
or another religion, much less any work for this.
I firmly believe that religion has been confused for a long time.
from Osha, and hence the question of why so many have failed to understand it resorting
to ‘other beliefs’. "The dog has 4 legs and only goes down one path." Says a
old adage that "He who has a mouth does not send to blow"; and that is what has
has been happening for many years with the religion of Osha.
Finally, I, particularly, believe and will believe that Osha is like any other
religion does not need another, for wisdom is distributed and it is only necessary to
to fully understand the path that has been chosen and to follow it until the end, so as not to
to get confused and have to seek help in other ways.

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AlexandraSeptember 2, 2013, 10:55

True..!

AnonymousJune 26, 2014, 18:00

Respect your elders and listen to your Obba... what was said in
ITA is respected... It's for the person's good...

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AnonymousAugust 26, 2013, 1:40

Those who close are Elegua, his guardian angel, and Obatala for being the owner of
all the heads

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AnonymousAugust 28, 2013, 4:58 PM

Good afternoon. I am adde aña, daughter of oshun. I have 5-5. In eleggua. And the
My brother told me that I could crown the other saints except Eleggua. And well!!
I should not throw away the snail, but I can work with the cards.

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AnonymousSeptember 18, 2013, 21:56

Good evening!!! My friends, I want to tell you that I am going for my sixth year
from osha and I have crowned Oshun with Shango and I have oche melli in Obatala and
Soon I will crown my third saint, I explain that I do not deliver.
Obatala, because that's what the elders taught me, that I couldn't give it away, but the...
He/She can do it as long as he or she does not have an eight melli.

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AnonymousSeptember 20, 2013, 6:52 PM

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Good evening, I have been in Oshá for 6 years, I have crowned Elegua, but I have 5-
Many people tell me that I can't even give birth to Shango.
Yubonear since this orisha says do not gift me, nor sell me, nor lend me,
Then I am confused, who will clear that doubt for me, but in the forum it says yes.
I can do it, but at the moment that Shango is going to present himself to the.
the bride in her dress, instead of the godfather presenting it, the yubona presents it, what's there
certainly it

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AnonymousSeptember 25, 2013, 1:08

Well, I am nobody in religion but I am very proud to have oshe


I am indeed the legend of Oshemelli, I have eight Melli in all my saints.
Less in oya so I don't complain because what I have is pure ifa and even in hand of
the orula is the voice of the oracle

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AnonymousDecember 5, 2013, 20:39

The good guys only want you for themselves and no one else.

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AnonymousDecember 7, 2013, 18:41

I am not a santero or olorisha, but there is indeed a story that appears in the manual of
Nicolas Valentin Angarica can clarify many doubts for everyone.
those eight melliu or eight fools or what is out there, if I remember correctly eight melli is
derived from ache and was the favorite son of olofi and for his development in the
Word was betrayed by those around him, and Olofi gave him protection and he should not have.
to be touched or to touch anyone, that's where the idea comes from that in the night it is not done.
nothing of saint, besides you go to the saint for health stability to free yourself from
death etc. if it cannot be delivered do not insist on this when doing what you
He/she would be prohibiting himself/herself from truncating his/her life or destiny, whether it be his/hers or that of the ...

person who wants to crown and others, I hope my explanation helps, because the truth is that to
We would all like to work the saint, but if our angel destined it this way.
guard, enjoy the reason why it was crowned and it is its stability and health, nothing matters.
More than that, analyze to see
a greeting from a child of Ochosi x Awofaka and of the sign Eddibre

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AnonymousFebruary 12, 2014, 15:01

I have crowned OCHUN as the head and father of osha to OBALU AYE... in
I have a concern: Can I work in OSHA and deliver?
saints? Am I closed to deliver saints from the land of Arará? since
the obba said he could deliver obalu aye without problems... but I have my
Doubts. Can someone clear them up? Thank you.

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AnonymousFebruary 17, 2014, 12:18

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE PERSON WHO HAS (5-5) IN THEIR HEAD AND IS
WOMAN THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR ME TO GIVE BIRTH OR TO YUBONEAR.
THANK YOU I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE [email protected]

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AnonymousMarch 13, 2014, 11:30

Good, I was crowned Shango and I took oshe tonti oshe in Elegua. Well, if it is.
wants to work, we have to do ifa, to raise money for the trip

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Carlos Cuberos April 1, 2014, 1:51 PM

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Good, my name is Carlos... I want to know how true it is that when it comes out
In Obbatala, Oche Melli must be chopped up... I would appreciate your response to
case...

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AnonymousApril 29, 2014, 11:00

Hello, good day. I am the child of Oshun. I was given an Iyami and my sign is...
I am 18 years old and I am heterosexual, and my godfather told me to be careful.
with the gay because my godfather told me that could someone explain it to me

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AnonymousApril 29, 2014, 11:03

I want to know more about the prohibitions in Oshe Meyí as I am interested.


to avoid living the absorption

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AnonymousJune 9, 2014, 19:43

Brothers, I have crowned Ogun; I do not share that about Oche Melli because of the...
santero does not read, oche melli we read, oche tonti oche if you all are looking
a book of ifa and they compare oddi melli of ifa with oddi tonti oddi do not speak in
Nothing is the same, I don't have that today, silly today in no saint but I don't share that.
From which mountain range in the ocha, if my comment helps them, grateful and yes.
Can someone clarify more? It's also good, thank you.

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AnonymousJune 26, 2014, 18:01

Respect your elders and listen to your Obba... what was said in ITA is
Respect... It is for the good of the person...

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Maykel Salcedo July 5, 2014, 12:00


Excellent comment, that's why the saying goes ear does not pass head...

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AnonymousAugust 30, 2014, 9:07

Hello, I have 5-5 in my guardian angel Yemaya and Eleggua 9-3, what is my m
header sign and what I can and cannot do

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there is PedroOctober 4, 2015, 16:02


your sign of the hunter is oche melly, and yemaya tells you not to lend me
neither sell me nor give me away because she will give you everything that you will have heaven

sea and land if you are obedient in this sign many things are said.
that you can't do anything of saint if you have it in the angel of your
It doesn't keep me in your way either, and it seems to me that it is true since this
sign speaks of blood that flows through your veins whether it is family
personal that the person may have blood problems to me
They told me that nothing could be done about the saint because every time
You make a saint, you gradually give away your health and here is your angel.
Look, you don't want to give your health to anyone. This is told to you by a daughter of ...

Yemaya, who also has Oche Melly on her head and your sign.
normal is bear eight because it joins the feet which is bear with what
boring your guardian angel oche.oche melly you only have it in
Yemaya.

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AnonymousApril 1, 2015, 1:39 PM

hello to everyone visiting this website, my personal opinion and for what I have
studied in the osha it is said oshe tonti oshe (5-5), on the other hand it is said
I ask why, as such, the numbers (because they are numbers) or the sign are the same,
at the moment of launching the snail, it first rolled a 5 and then on the second roll
from 5 edition also tonks also as I explained earlier since there are only
a single game of snail, the only way to say oshe melli is by
It turns out that there the complete sign comes out, oh melli, it is important to note that it is a
sign of abundance, and the most important thing to focus on is to take care of the
health, the blood is like that of the family, the spiritual world, etc. yes
we take it to the scriptures of the beginnings of religion, it doesn't fit anywhere
in this sign, health for everyone

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AnonymousApril 2, 2015, 17:27

Hello, my name is Humberto. I would like to know who my Orisha is.

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AnonymousApril 2, 2015, 5:28 PM

IF YOU CAN, SEND ME THE RESPONSE TO THE EMAIL:


[email protected]

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AnonymousJune 11, 2015, 14:45

Humberto, what kind of question is that? Are you gay? Go somewhere else.
IFA HOUSE FOR YOU TO LOWER THE ANGEL OF YOUR GUARDIAN...
faggot

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ANGEL AMAYA September 22, 2015, 16:01

why treat people like this... no one was born wise, learn to
to respect, this person needs to be taught and guided... that's why it is
That religion is falling apart because of ignorant people like you. By Olofin, I...
I imagine how you treat people... and if you're going to curse me, I tell you
may my father Ogun place his sword over your head, soul, and spirit
so that you learn to respect... but if you take my advice.. also
May my father give you many blessings.... you need to learn a little.
from the commandments of religion and you will see how you progress.

ANGEL AMAYA September 22, 2015, 19:00


why do you treat people like this... nobody was born wise, learn to
to respect, this person needs to be taught and guided... that's why
that religion is destroyed by ignoramuses like you. by Olofin, I
I imagine how you treat people... and if you're going to curse me, I'll tell you
May my father Ogun place his sword over your head, soul, and spirit.
so that you learn to respect... but if you take my advice.. also
May my father give you many blessings.... you must learn a little.
from the commandments of religion and you will see how you advance.

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Hello, I would like to know a little more about this sign; I have crowned Obbatalá.
my mother in holy is yemaya and I have oshe melli in oshun?, my godfather me
Did he say that my Oshun was only for me? What is true about that..

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AnonymousJuly 6, 2015, 16:33

hello I am new to this. I am very rich I am the daughter of Oshun but my sign does not tell me
I like it, I spend my time crying because my sign doesn't bring me many good things.
I feel identified with Oshun but I feel very bad about my sign.
I would like to change, but my godfather told me that I can't and that it stays like this for...
all the life that I have as a religion:( :( :(

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there is PedroOctober 4, 2015, 4:11 PM


Hello, you don't have to feel bad about that, on the contrary, do you know who it is?

Oshun, the goddess of love, joy, and flirtation, is the owner of


money from gold and honey and their children are kings on the earth even if they pass
I work, so I'll give you some advice: love her a lot, because with her, it’s not...
She plays; she is a very miraculous saint, and I love her very much too.
I am her daughter even though I don't have her in relation to Oche Melly is a
strong sign because it speaks of health but everything in due time.
solution so do not neglect your health but at the same time it is a sign
very good because here Ochun speaks directly and it is a sign of
a lot of progress. it's told to you by a daughter of Yemaya who has Oche Melly
in their guardian angel. congratulations

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Jimmi Scott August 6, 2015, 1:28

Hello with the due respect that all those present deserve.
I come to ask about what they mean when they talk about the sign that is
it has through the hands and through the world I think it is a combination, I would like
know about this ??

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Jimmi Scott August 6, 2015, 1:29

[email protected]

Jimmi Scott August 6, 2015, 1:33

[email protected]

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Jimmi Scott August 6, 2015, 1:33

Hello with the due respect that everyone present deserves.


I come to ask what they mean when they talk about the sign that refers to
it has through the hands and through the world I believe it is a combination, I would like
know about this??

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AnonymousDecember 20, 2015, 4:27 PM

Hello, I have crowned Yemaya and took Oshe Melli in Eleggua, my oracle told me.
and it is written in my ITA that the only thing I must not do is deliver eleggua nor
consult with the snail Do not touch any child of eleggua since this saint
come to give me everything that I consulted with coco tobacco and cards all the rest in

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I can do it and continue working in spiritualism like I have been since the
ten years ... what do you think, I am going to follow the advice of my elders with
a lot of respect for maferefun la osha and spiritualism in my life ....ashe for
everyone and remember with God everything without God nothing that God my mother Yemaya my
spiritual father Nicanol Ochoa Pinto and all the Saints bless me today
tomorrow and always......

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Freddy Maldonado July 30, 2016, 12:24


In the national dance, there's no corona but you can still enjoy.

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Freddy Maldonado July 30, 2016, 12:24

You can't castrate a santero for that.

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Freddy Maldonado July 30, 2016, 12:25

You can't castrate a santero for that.

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Freddy Maldonado July 30, 2016, 9:11 PM


In the public sector, there is no corona but it can still be done.

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UnknownOctober 5, 2016, 20:04

GOOD EVENING, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS


I HAVE A DOUBT, I HAVE CROWNED YEMAYA AND I PULLED IN SHANGO
Is there any prohibition for throwing the snails?

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Jhonny Alberto Avila Rodriguez October 5, 2016, 20:06

GOOD EVENING, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS


I HAVE DOUBTS, I HAVE CROWNED YEMAYA AND I TOOK OUT IN SHANGO
5-5, IS THERE ANY PROHIBITION ON THROWING SNAILS?

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José Carlos Díaz Díaz October 5, 2016, 11:22 PM

The first thing you have to do is to respect what your


godfather Obbá in Itá, but if in Elegua he doesn't have 5-5 my opinion is
that you have no prohibition on throwing the snails. Here
Changó is saying that he does not lend, give away, or sell it.
he just wants you to adore him. He can't give you Changó
nobody. Among many other things, it says that you are a spiritualist,
You must work with the spirits, especially a spirit that comes.
through the blessed road of Santa Barbara, 7 rays, if it was scratched before
crown herself with Yemayá and does not have that garment on, she has to
do. The spirits will give you everything. Additionally, Changó will
It is said that you are a born fortune teller, here it would be necessary to
see the other letters from itá, but if there is another twin you can pass
directly to Ifá if he is a man, because Changó is the true one
I predict a win with 5-5. Maferefun Changó, adore that Osha and cherish it.
every day in this world.

Greetings

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José Carlos Díaz Díaz October 5, 2016, 23:06

Aché

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jhonny alberto avila rodriguez October 6, 2016, 18:51


Ashe, thank you very much for such a complete explanation, but yes, I do have.
another meyi, I have obbara meyi in elegua

jhonny alberto avila rodriguez October 6, 2016, 18:57


Thank you very much for such a complete explanation, but yes, I do have.
another meyi, I have obbara meyi in elegua

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Xanadu De La Vega March 10, 2017, 12:55 AM


Ihaveco
rwnedShangoandmymohtesriOshunandYemayagavemeOcheTo.nit
Oche, the only twin I have of Oche and Yemaya, told me in Ita I love you so much.
but so much that I want you to be only for me and me for you, it is more, it is the warrior
From my problems, I'm going to tell Mark, I give him my complaints and everything gets resolved.
five others but combined with other numbers and my godfather told me to respect them
children of yemaya do not deliver yemaya to anyone and do not perform works with yemaya
To no one, so I follow those rules and for me it is an honor that it is so but
I have also questioned a lot the issue of whether Eleggua gives you a 5.
how
First number and your ruling angel gives you another 5 because it should be closed the
There's a possibility that when they ask you what your sign is, you don't mention the first number.
what Eleggua gives you and the first number that your guardian angel gives you or I am
confused, one says when asked the saint you crowned without
to belittle the other saints what is your sign in the headline that could be
Whoever has 5, if it's not melli the saint, wouldn't be closing you to do ocha.
or another thing, why join that of Eleggua with your headline, if it is true that Eleggua
it opens with a sign but your headline is what closes your ita I don't understand that.
truth and excuse my ignorance on the topic perhaps

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AnonymousDecember 10, 2017, 12:40

Good day, my name is David Gregorio Ibarra Cardozo Baba Tundo. I have oshe.
Many say that I can crown saints, others say that I cannot.
someone me could help I hope response a me email
[email protected]

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