Yogi Sri S. N.

Tavariaji- English Lectures

15. 28A

The point raised everywhere.

Are your techniques necessary ?
Most of them gave me an impression that they were far
too advanced for these stupid techniques.
So, I deliberately started to wound, to hurt their ego.
I am a very mischievous man by nature.
And they were all very angry, red in the face, shouting loudly.
So, I smiled to myself.
Because to me a man without rhythm and balance is like a ship without a compass or
rudder.
So today I have prepared a short note to thy frailty and to thy ego, but there is no mention
about the frailty or ego.
From their excitement, whatever I could gather I have made notes for you today.
And if I had not told you these few things you would've thought that the notes are very
similar to what we normally do.
(Kindly distribute the notes to students)
(I hope they are enough today) Not expecting a houseful, kindly share today for the time
being.

To make Existence understandable in a microscopic point, Param Satyam filled this point
with the state of existence i.e. filled this tiny point with a substance we call cosmic mind or
infinite mind or Chitte.
This cosmic mind exerts immense mind maya creative pressures on all that exists,
irrespective of size or intelligence.
From a human standpoint this cosmic mind is unimaginable, very potent, and all-knowing
within Existence!
(If any point is not clear I would like to go slowly, para by para.) (Pardon, the frame is there
hanging).
You have the black book with you I suppose, turn to the coloured diagram there, there is
only one coloured diagram.
So, what does the first para say, To make Existence understandable, that means the lower
round figure that is existence,
which is shown in the upper round figure as a small circle.
Correct!
So, the upper round circle is Creation and the small little circle is Existence,
which in the lower part of the diagram has been magnified a 100 times so that we can follow
it.
So, we read again,
To make Existence understandable in a microscopic point, Param Satyam filled it with the
state of Existence.
The state of Existence.
The state of Existence!
It is mine not yours,
that is the state of Existence.
If I have so much, I still want so much that is the state of Existence.
If you are unhappy, I don't care, that is the state of Existence.
You understand what I'm saying.
So, in this microscopic small point,
Param Satyam filled it with the state of Existence,
that means it was very necessary to create mind,
the most mischievous substance ever created by God for the benefit of human beings so
that they can be totally miserable.
And after being totally miserable some foolish wise people try to show them the way out of
their misery.
So, this is the state of Existence.
And filled this tiny point with a substance we call cosmic mind or infinite mind or Chittie.
This cosmic mind, what is the quality of this cosmic mind?
To make you understand that 2+2 is 3 or 5, that is the characteristic of the cosmic mind.
This is why you have to believe this is blue or pink, this is the quality of cosmic mind.
I've described the quality of the comic mind as,
this cosmic mind exerts immense mind maya creative pressures, mind maya creative
pressures.
The wisest amongst us is totally fooled into believing that whatever he sees and hears or
touches or experiences is true and what is really true does not exist.
That is what this beautiful cosmic mind teaches us, and we firmly believe.
If we do not firmly believe why in spite of having such a short life, we want to build a palace
and have 5,000 crores as our friend Harshad would have it.
Why should we do all that if we are not firmly believing that this is the real world,
this is where we have to stay always,
though we may go away for some short time after that we will come back again.
All this nonsense is being preached,
not by any preacher but by cosmic mind.
This is the quality of Cosmic mind.
And from human standpoint this cosmic mind is unimaginable, very potent, all knowing within
existence.

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And we are fooled to that extent that we raise our hand in prayer to it.
We are so totally misguided to believe God is there.
God is here.
But still, we believe God is there and we raise our hands like (this).
Correct, Okay!
We go further.

This tiny point we understand as Brahmanda

(please correct the spelling) where all the three universes Bhuh, Bhuvah, Svaha float in this
cosmic mind and always are under the mind maya creative pressures.
Bhuh, Bhuvah, Svaha the
3 universes physical, astral, mental put together form Brahmanda.
And all these universes
with all the galaxies,
with all the life that prevails is all under an impression that this is the real Existence,
nothing beyond this is possible. But we consider this tiny point as immeasurable, billions of
light years cannot measure or fathom
(please correct)
fathom even the smallest of the
3 universes, the Bhuh or the physical universe.
And cosmic mind very beautifully exerts all the maya creative pressures on our Scientists,
so that through their telescopes and radio telescopes they go on looking at millions of
galaxies and millions of solar systems in each galaxy.
And galaxy after galaxy running away at half the speed of light and the universe ever
expanding not coming to an end.
The whole picture described by science looks as if all the scientists are totally hypnotised.
So, this is what we learn in our science about Existence, Existence that is never ending,
immeasurable still it does not exist.
It is in this tiny point, Existence, that we talk about the three states,
so called waking, sleep and dream.
Here we have the infinite pairs of the opposites,
here we talk of death and birth.
Here we have our religion, rites, ceremonies and philosophies.
This to the sum and substance of Existence.
All your religions give you all your theories, your philosophies give you all the other ideas.
You are everyday very busy with your rites and ceremonies.
I don't know, how far can these rites and ceremonies go?
How many million light years they go?
Because if God is there will our rites and ceremonies ever reach. And if your God is here,
then why outside here your rites and ceremonies.
I don't want to hurt any religious person.
Here we have the need of light, food, air, body, individual cosmic mind and all that we can
feel, know and can experience.
Here we talk of duality!
But all that we see, feel, experience, hold, need, possess is all under cosmic mind
maya creative pressures and it all appears to us as real so that we have never even doubted
that it is so.
Because we all are under mind maya creative pressures through our individual cosmic mind.
You see how many things we need in Existence?
Light, food, air, body, mind, all that you can feel, know and experience.
Here we can talk about duality!
But, what can we do to survive in this Existence, we have to depend on our mind.
And our mind is a part of the cosmic mind.
And the quality of the cosmic mind is to exert mind maya creative pressures.
So, our individual cosmic mind will exert upon us in whatever we see or experience, maya
creative pressures.
It is as if each one of us is hypnotised and yet does not know that he/she is hypnotised, that
is the state in which we are living.
Have you seen a hypnotic show? Have you seen some good hypnotic show?
When you see you believe, know! But when you see a hypnotic show,
you know that you are seeing a hypnotic show,
but here from birth to death we are not aware that we are
under hypnotic pressures,
mind maya creative pressures.
But after ages of repeated thoughts (correct it), thought
we still fail to realise that it is not real, but transitory and not capable of making us really
happy, serene and contented.

But Advaita
i.e. the non-duality of Vedanta, cannot accept anything other than Param Satyam!
What happens if we don't accept anything else except Param Satyam?
What happens if we don't accept anything else except Param Satyam?
The first thing we have to do is deny ourselves.
I am not! If we have to firmly believe, solely in Param Satyam, the Advaita idea of Vedanta,
the first thing we have to realise is, "I am not".
Correct!
Because if we don't bring that into focus that I am not, then Param Satyam becomes a
duality.
If 'I am' and if 'He is' it is a duality.
So, the first thing that I must be convinced is, 'I am not'.
Then you'll say how can I say,
'I'm not', I am! Isn't it?
Here starts confusion.
And I've told you so many times my only purpose to come here is to confuse you.

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So, the details of Advaita Vedanta thought are:

That nothing whatsoever is born in anyway,
nothing whatsoever is born in anyway.
That also means that nothing whatsoever ever dies, Isn't it?
If nothing whatsoever is born then nothing whatsoever ever dies.
So, if you are not born you are not going to die.
Right!
But if you say, 'I was born' then you are going to die, Isn't it?
Now, what is not born and is not going to die.
And what is born and is going to die.
Before we are, two clear cut ideas.
If nothing is born whatsoever at any time nothing dies whatsoever at any time, that is
something.
And if I say that, I was born on so and so day and I will die perhaps in future on so and so
day,
then that is another substance.
There are two different substances.
Are they two different substances or is one substance coming out of the other?
If jiva is born, if jiva is born and jiva dies.
And atma is never born whatsoever and never dies.
Is jiva an outgrowth of Atma?
Are they two separate substances ?
Or is one substance arising out of the other ?
Our minds must be very clear.
But the trouble is our mind is constantly under mind maya creative pressures and it will say,
Nah ! Now, now don't believe all that, you are an individual,
you are born of these parents,
your name is this,
what not, what not.
You might even take out your passport and show me,
Here I am, An individual.
Should you believe your mind and believe that you are an individual by yourself ?
Can you trace where, from where
you came?
A few thousand million years ago where were you?
Then you'll sit back and say,
No, I can't go more than four generations of my grandfather and his grandfather.
So if you see minutely, then you say, I am !
I am an individual.
My name is so and so,
I was born in so and so town. You cannot trace what you are talking about.
Let us see further.
The non-dual unchanging reality is Turiya.
Even giving it a name or quality is false understanding.
What is Turiya!
What is Turiya?

[S] Fourth state

[Mr.T] Unfortunately all the wrong things are taught to us by books and by teachers and by
so called gurus or what not.
Turiya is not the fourth state.
The three states are sleep, dream, so called waking state.
So called because when you are awake,
you are in the past,
you are in the future,
you are never in the present,
so you are in a dream state when you are awake.
Turiya is not a fourth state.
It is the condition of atma. Always Is, Always Was, Always will remain.
Turiya!
Unconcerned, untouched, unaffected.
Turiya is not the fourth state of a human being.
It's not a fourth state of mind.
It is not the fourth state of achievement.
We have just talked about something that is not born, something that is not going to die,
that something is Turiya.
This is not going to become Turiya.
If this can become Turiya, tomorrow my shirt will become Turiya.
So, this is a shirt of my Atma.
You get my point my friend.
This, this is the shirt of my Atma and it has three states of its own. It cannot be Atma.
Otherwise, my shirt tomorrow will tell me,
I'm going to be Turiya tomorrow. No! My shirt cannot become,
this cannot become.
And all the while, the all of you have read and practised and are trying to achieve for this,
what is the condition of Atma !
You are mixing up.
You are mixing up the shirt and the individual.
Get my point clearly friends. Turiya is the condition, unchanging condition of Atma.
Everywhere and in every book, you will read that Turiya is the fourth state.
When we say fourth state it belongs to that condition
where there are three states already.
Atmā has got no three states. This body, the covering, has these three states.
But Turiya is not a state.
It is the condition of Atma. Always unchanging, always the same, and that is why we call
Atma witness.
It doesn't sleep with the body.
It doesn't dream with the body.
It is not awake with the body.
It always Is.
Get the point my friends.
It always Is.
It cannot have a fourth state.
Ishvara, the Gurudeva of the Yoga Sutra, is equated with Turiya.
Got it.
It is not a fourth state over and above the three states experienced in Existence.
There is nothing prior to nor anything after Param Satyam.
If there is nothing after Param Satyam then I'm continuing from the point the Param Satyam
Is.
Because nothing can come after Param Satyam so I must be from the time Param Satyam
Is.
And if I'm from the point Param Satyam Is, then I'm not this.
It is clear, I'm not this.
This shirt comes to me and goes to the dry cleaners. Isn't it ?
So if I'm not coming after Param
Satyam, I'm coming along with Param Satyam.
And what can come along with Param Satyam is Satyam, Atma.

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This cannot come, this comes and goes, we know, so many times.
So, when I say,
I'm talking about myself,
I'm not talking about my shirt.
I'm not talking about my shirt,
I'm talking about myself.
Understand.
But Param Satyam is not void,
a nonentity.
It is nothingness, emptiness.
But it is not nothing or empty.
Why is it called emptiness or nothingness?
Why do we call it emptiness or nothingness?
If I come walking to you,
he is between you and me,
but he doesn't stop me.
You get my point.
Param Satyam should be everywhere.
There is no pinpoint anywhere in
the universe where he is not. And yet if I have to come from here to there,
yet if this room is filled with fifty people,
it is not disturbed neither does it disturb us.
Because it is nothingness,
And yet it is everything.
There is no origination in any way whatsoever.
That means you cannot say, Once upon a time God existed. Once upon a time he created
Adam and Eve.
There is no once upon a time when you talk about
Param Satyam.
One poet says,
If I'm not a part of Him there is no such God at all.
If I'm not a part of Him there is no such God at all.
So Param Satyam in its infinite nothingness or emptiness can hold all of us, without being
disturbed or without disturbing us.
He never comes,
He never goes and every
pinpoint of Param Satyam is Satyam, Divine Fragment, Atmā. Divine Fragment, Atma is
nothing but a pinpoint of Param Satyam, in no way inferior to
Param Satyam.
And all this shirts and pants and saris is this.
Of which we should be not over anxious.
The concept of birth, causation, suggests duality, it is a false idea.
[The point eight is very important]
Human mind is afraid and or is not yet developed to grasp this idea of Advaita.
We are afraid, we are afraid to grasp this idea that
only Param Satyam exists.
The minute we think about this as I've just told you a few minutes ago,
I do not exist,
I do not exist.
And we are over anxious to preserve this individuality.

The first law is self-preservation. We are anxious to preserve this shirt and pants.
So, we do not wish to state,
I do not exist.
We do not want to annihilate our own self.
We want to preserve it.
And to preserve this shirt and pants we married, we get children and grandchildren, we go
on doing all this nonsense because we want to preserve our identity, our family tree.
If a million family trees were to die the earth will not be sadder. Birth and death of anything is
possible only through mind maya creative pressures and not reality.
Birth and death, is it real or is it a serial going before our eyes. How many of you are
watching the TV?
The Bold and the Beautiful, and what's the other one?
Santa Barbara.
All you are watching in real life is Santa Barbara.
All you are watching in real life is Bold and the Beautiful.
But we want to watch this serial, the serial of human life.
And we don't want to say,
No! It is false.
Because the minute we say it is false the TV is closed and there is no entertainment.
There is in truth no world or the universe, it is all an illusory manifestation due to cosmic
mind maya pressures.
All is mithya.
And all is wrongly imagined. Yet, we have some good sense in saying, 'that when we die we
carry nothing'.

But when we live.

We live as if we are going to carry everything.
And firmly believe that when we die we carry nothing.

Fortunately! otherwise what would happen.

The question then arises,
What is the cause of this Existence that is appearing to
all lives as so real?
The answer perhaps is,
Satyam diversifies the mundane things, turning its mind outwards, so the shastras say.
But this is an unsatisfactory reply for those who cannot accept that Existence does not exist.

If I tell you this wall does not exist,

you will very cleverly tell me, bang your head and see.
Will you not !
If the banging of the head and the pain I experience is also maya pressure or is it real ?
You see.
How many of you wear those coloured glasses, for the sun, in the afternoon ?
Some of you do, know, those coloured glasses.
What do you see through those coloured glasses, a coloured world, a coloured world.
Can't help seeing a coloured world if you are wearing coloured glasses.
If you remove it the world is different.
When you put them on,
the world is different,
so beautiful, technicolour world you see.

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Under mind maya pressures we are all wearing beautiful RayBan glasses.
And we see a world we want to see, the way we want to see. When everything is taken away
from us and we sit and cry,
that is the most blessed moment in our life.
When everything is taken away from us, we sit and cry.

Because then we realise that there is nothing worth having. But would you like to learn that
way or would you like to learn in some another way?
Would you like to learn it after being (taken), everything being taken away from you or would
you like to learn with your normal life?
In your normal life if you want to learn that is Yoga.
If you want God to take everything away from you, that is another way and a better way of
learning.
Did I tell you a story of a
(a true story) of a very old lady who is still alive.
Some sixty years ago, this lady was a young lady, married to a
very fine young man,
an Indian lady married to a very fine young Indian gentleman.
She was living in Paris.
She had a palace to live in,
with cars and coaches and servants.
So, you can imagine how very well settled in life she must have
been.
And her husband had an empire here in India.
After marriage she conceived and she gave birth to a child,
a son.
Naturally she was very happy but the French nurse looked at her and said,
What are you smiling about?
He is going to die, within a few months.
She said, No, he can't die.
She came home and when the child was about 3-4 months,
the child died, she cried, then she thought about the nurse.
She went to the hospital to see the nurse and said, yes you told me, my son is dead.
Oh! That's nothing, you'll have to give up all this you've in Paris and go to India.
After about a few months the husband went to India, called her there saying that we have to
sell up all this to pay our debts.
So, they sold off all their palaces and coaches and cars and she came back to India.
Then she wrote a letter and said, I hope you are now satisfied,
I've lost my son,
I've lost everything in Paris.
So, the letter came,
Ohl That's nothing!
Your husband is going to lose all the wealth he has got in India.
After a month it so expired that he lost all the wealth he had in India.
She wrote another letter to her,
I hope it is now over.
No! Your husband is going to die.
After a few months her husband died.
And then came a letter from that nurse,
That one of your faithful servant, with his name beginning with N. He will take you to his
house, you can stay there.
You have nothing to live on, not even the footpath.
And one of her servers took her to his house and she stayed there.
And there she is making papad. But when she lost everything,
Do you know what she got?
Suddenly she began to see.
And today very wealthy people and politicians go to her and ask questions.
So that is one way to learn.
Would you like to learn that way? She is still alive at Opera House.
People come and throw money at her feet.
She doesn't take, she gives it to that servant (the servant is dead) his children.
She is still alive.
When the story was told I couldn't believe it, so I went to see that lady.
When I went there, she looked at me and said, Why have you come here?
People come to you to ask questions.
Why have you come here to ask me questions?
I said, I've not come here to ask
question, I have come to see a person who can take all this and survive.
She was smiling,
Oh! so you have not come to ask me like others come.
I said, No, I've just come to see you.
She is telling me, Would you like to share my experience ?
I said No!
Thank You.
So, this is one way of learning whether all this is real,
whether it is worthwhile.
You see.
And the second way is to learn through Yoga Sutra.
So, these are the two ways to learn.
I've given you a true story of the lady who is staying there.
Those who want to go and see her and ask her,
I'll give you the address.

[S] When?

[Mr. T] So you want to go that way.

The self (page 3), the self….

[S] I've one question, when you talked about that lady, we all are on a very low level

[Mr. T] Lower level is no level.

Those who earn that same level. Are you prepared to go on that same level?

The Self, whenever conditioned by prakriti, is the cause of the plural universe.

Understood.
The Self, whenever conditioned by prakriti, is the cause of the plural universe.

The Self, Self is Satyam.

Satyam whenever conditioned, conditioned means having a shirt and pants.
This is the condition.
Satyam is conditioned.
Whenever Satyam is conditioned, this is prakriti,
matter.