Sobha Limited Investor Call Transcript
Sobha Limited Investor Call Transcript
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In continuation of our letter dated November 02, 2023, please find enclosed herewith the transcript
of the conference call held on Tuesday, the 07 th day of November, 2023 with the Analysts/
Institutional Investors to brief the Operational and Financial performance of the Company for the
quarter and half year ended September 30, 2023.
We request you to take the aforesaid information on record in terms of Regulation 30 of SEBI
(Listing Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) Regulations, 2015 and the same is available on
the website of the Company.
Yours sincerely,
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CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
SOBHA LIMITED
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Moderator: Ladies and Gentlemen, Good Evening and welcome to Sobha Limited Q2 FY24 Earnings
Conference Call hosted by ICICI Securities.
As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode and there will be an
opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance
during the conference call, please signal the operator by pressing ‘*’ then ‘0’ on your touchtone
phone. Please note that the conference is being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Adhidev Chattopadhyay from ICICI Securities Limited.
Thank you and over to you, sir.
Adhidev Chattopadhyay: Good evening, everyone. On behalf of ICICI Securities, I'd like to welcome everyone on the call
today.
Today from Sobha Limited Management we have with us Mr. Jagadish Nangineni – Managing
Director and Mr. Yogesh Bansal, the Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to hand over the
call to the management for their opening remarks. Over to you. Thank you.
Jagadish Nangineni: Thank you Adhidev. Thank you for the kind introduction and organizing this call. Sobha team
and I are happy to interact post financial results of Q2 FY23-24. As you all know, the investor
presentation can be accessed from our website [Link]. In this call, we'd like to briefly touch
upon our last quarter and the half yearly performance and provide a brief outlook for the
remaining 6 months of this financial year.
The first half of the year was the best-ever for us with real estate sale value achievement of about
3,188 crores and 3.08 million square feet. In this quarter, we achieved the highest ever quarterly
sale value of 1,724 crores and 1.69 million square feet. This is the ninth straight quarter where
the presales have been better than the previous quarter.
Achievement in this first half is more remarkable, considering that no new project launches have
taken place. Bangalore touched quarterly sale of 1.01 million square feet, crossing the 1 million
square feet mark again this quarter and a value of 932 crores. Kerala also has done remarkably
well, achieving a higher sale in the first half of this year than what we did in the entire last
financial year.
This was aided by two new tower releases in Marina one and Sobha Metropolis in Thrissur. In
GIFT City as well, the demand scenario has been very positive with increased visibility and
action on the ground. We have crossed the 100,000 square feet mark in a quarter for the first
time with the sale value of about 89.5 crores.
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NCR continued to witness excellent demand contributing to about 20.6% to the sales in this
quarter. We have a robust pipeline of about 15 million square feet to be launched in the next two
years. From this pipeline, we have already launched Sobha Neopolis, one of our largest projects
in Bangalore with 1,875 units and 3.44 million square feet in the first week of October.
We expect to launch anywhere between 6 million to 7 million square feet in this financial year,
including this Neopolis launch. Aided by the excellent sales and milestone achievements in the
projects our operational cash inflow has also been steadily growing. Our focus on cash flow
management has been steady and the results of the same are for us to see.
For the 12th straight quarter, we generated positive cash flow and reduced our debt. We expect
the demand in the residential sector to be robust in the steady economic environment and an
interest rate cycle which is close to its peak.
With this I request our CFO – Mr. Yogesh Bansal, to take you through the financials and open
the floor for the questions.
Yogesh Bansal: Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.
With the highest quarterly sale along with faster achievement of construction linked milestone,
has resulted in historic achievements in terms of cash inflows reaching to Rs. 1,450 crores for
the quarter, payoff which, substantial portion of Rs.1,260 crores has been contributed by real
estate business.
In the first half of the fiscal year, our performance remained strong with total cash inflow of Rs.
2,805 crores out of which real estate collection contribution is Rs. 2,388 crores. We maintained
a strong commitment to real estate construction, deploying 1,068 crores in H1 24 and Rs. 536
crores in Q2 FY’24 which represents a remarkable increase compared to the previous year.
We generated net cash flow of Rs. 129 crores in Q2 FY’24 leading to a continued reduction in
our net debt. Our debt-to-equity ratio is 0.58. Operationally, it is evident that we had a
remarkable strong quarter. On the P&L side, total income for the quarter reached 774 crores with
a cumulative figure of 1,713 crores for the first half of FY24.
We have handed over 0.67 million square feet in Q2 and 1.71 million square feet in H1. In the
quarter, our EBITDA amounted to Rs. 108 crores with a margin of 13.9% for the first half of the
year, EBITDA stood at 204 crores with a margin of 11.9%. Our quarterly PAT recorded a figure
of 13 crores.
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We thank you all once again for your participation and now we can open the floor for question-
and-answer session.
Moderator: Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. First question is
from the line of Puneet Gulati from HSBC. Please go ahead.
Puneet Gulati: Thanks you so much and congratulations on strong cashflow and reduced debt. My first question
is on the pipeline you eluded to the 3.44 million square feet Neopolis launch. Can you talk a bit
about what kind of response you have received and when you talk about 6 to 7 million square
feet potential launch pipeline, is it over and above 3.4 or is it inclusive of 3.4?
Jagadish Nangineni: Like I mentioned the launch is about 6 million to 7 million square feet, we launched in the first
week of October. We released 825 units as part of the launch, and it's been a very positive launch
that we did, and we think that we are achieving about 11,500 plus as the realization. In the 825
units that we released; we have already sold about close to about 40% of those.
And coming to the remaining launches, like I said, it's 6 to 7 million square feet which includes
this. So, we have at least 2.5 to 3.5 million square feet to be launched, which would have part of
it which would happen in this quarter and remaining in the last quarter.
Puneet Gulati: And in that context if I think about your collections to sales ratio, which is roughly about 81%
and I don't think you have much to sell from your existing area. So, when you launch Neo, would
it be fair to assume that the collection ratio to sales can go down substantially or it should not be
that material a fall?
Jagadish Nangineni: Puneet sorry can you repeat the question, the last part of the question please?
Puneet Gulati: Yes. So, when you launch, you know, you obviously will be collecting only at best 30% given
that only 6 months are remaining from the sales that you you're likely to do, will the collection
and your existing inventory unsold inventory is very little, so would it be fair to assume that
even if you were to maintain the same sales run rate, the collection could actually be lower than
what you experienced in the first half?
Jagadish Nangineni: I think there are collections that come from two parts which is one from the old sales and the
corresponding milestone that we are achieving in the projects. And second is from the new sales.
So, in the new sales that we have just started we have been pretty aggressive in terms of our
execution as well.
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And in this particular instance, we already started our construction for the phase that we already
launched. So, we expect to hit new milestones, as well, as quickly as possible. Having said that,
the collections from the remaining sold and under construction properties also is going to be
robust. So, overall, I think in the second half our collection should be similar as what we are
doing in fact can be better.
Puneet Gulati: Secondly, in your presentation there is also a mention of commercial portfolio, so is there a
change in thought process where you want to own commercial portfolio or is it just temporarily
parking in the balance sheet?
Jagadish Nangineni: Our focus has always been residential Puneet and currently given the residential demand
environment, we think that our focus should continue to remain in residential. The dimension of
the commercial portfolio is because we have these in our projects as incidental and hence those
projects we will execute as per the overall master plans of those projects.
Puneet Gulati: No, for example Sobha City Mall in Thrissur and one Sobha Bangalore would stay in your
balance sheet or would it be sold out eventually?
Jagadish Nangineni: We do not have any plans of selling out those commercials which we have already developed.
Puneet Gulati: And similarly, the Sobha City Athena which is ongoing would also stay with the small one?
Puneet Gulati: And lastly on some of the pending cases while notes to accounts don’t reveal anything new,
there was also a new update on one of the auditors which came in wherein NFRA has penalized
the auditors for lack of disclosers and some land deals, can you elaborate on what really is the
problem there and what is the response to that?
Jagadish Nangineni: This was the matter related where the previous auditor was fined for about a nominal amount of
5,00,000 which I think the representation based on the representation given by the previous
auditor NFRA has taken such a call post that we do not have any further information on that.
Puneet Gulati: And any update on when should one expect you to start disclosing your land bank once again
used to disclose it every quarter, but last few quarters it's been missing?
Jagadish Nangineni: What we would like to do Puneet is not just the land bank, but also the productivity of that land
bank which we are in the midst of improving the overall productivity of that and once that is
done, we will surely start disclosing not just this pipeline, but also the future pipeline as well.
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Puneet Gulati: And since the last disclosure has that pipeline materially changed or is it largely similar given
that you're doing quite a bit of claiming up as well?
Jagadish Nangineni: So, our cash flow that we have dedicated for the new business development has largely been for
adding new lands into the existing land bank where we have large parcels and also some of the
old payments that are due for making these projects go to a project stage.
So, the overall pipeline roughly remains the same, but as we continue to evaluate new projects
and we are signing up new projects too, but it is not materially very different from what we
earlier have in terms of the large land bank that we have.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities. Please
proceed.
Parikshit Kandpal: So, my first question is on Neopolis so in Neopolis 40% of the unit is sold, so my understanding
was that about 1,600 units in this project ballpark. So, we have launched something around 500
to 600, so have we release some more inventory here and this 40% which was sold does it include
the channel partners because my understanding was that largely it was initially being done by
you directly and then maybe channel partners will be introduced. So, how do you look at
accelerating this project sales?
Jagadish Nangineni: Parikshit just to recap so we therefore the Neopolis project has a 1,875 units. The sales that we
launched has 825 units of which I was saying that 40% have been sold and you're right that we
have given for the first time in our history of sales that we have given the opportunity for existing
customers and who have directly have been reaching out to us to book their units for the first
and hence for a brief period we have sold these without any channel partners and we have once
we achieved our goal of our internal sales goals, we have opened up the sales for the channel
partners as well.
Parikshit Kandpal: But how do you intend to release more inventory do you think what point of time do you think
you will release some more inventory in this project by the financial year end?
Jagadish Nangineni: Based on the pay we have the entire year and subsequently to keep opening the inventory. So,
we have as the sales continue, we will open up the new towers.
Parikshit Kandpal: The other question is in the balance launches. So, what are the other key launches till FY24 end?
So, what do you look at launching in Bengaluru and then Gurgaon or Kochi can give some sense
on where in terms of RERA or other environmental approvals, where are we this and how
confident are we launching this balance 3 million, 4 million square feet beyond the Neopolis?
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Jagadish Nangineni: Yes, like I said, we have another about 2.5 to 3.5 million square feet that we can potentially
launch of which about a million to million and a half can come from Bangalore and they're in
advanced stages of approvals. In addition to that we have a launch in GIFT City, which is
possible in Q4 and another launch in Gurgaon which is a commercial development so that also
is possible in Q4.
Parikshit Kandpal: Any Resi launch in Gurgaon because this will not add up to, I don't think that will add up to 3 to
4 million balance for the year because 1.5 in Bengaluru and maybe the GIFT City won't be a big
launch because commercial also not really launched. So, is there anything which you were
building out of these 15 million square feet almost half this year, is something which is pushing
into FY25?
Jagadish Nangineni: So, the remaining will come in FY25 Parikshit, but this is a little bit conservative because as the
approvals are always tentative, if you can. We are aiming to do our best in terms of doing at least
half of what like I said of 15 million at least, even if you can do 7 million, that remaining can
come in the next financial year and those also in the next financial year we have those launches
seem to be lined up for spread evenly across quarters.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Dhruvesh Sanghvi from Prospero Tree. Please
proceed.
Dhruvesh Sanghvi: Just I was reading some of the articles about the promoters which have come and some of the
global magazines where a broader comment was mentioned about India having a peak capacity
for Sobha of approximately 1 billion to $1.5 billion. Now how should we read this when we
have already 5 Indian real estate players crossing more than 20,000 crores or 25 crores or 30,000
crores leagues, I mean, I feel that we are aiming too low and why is India only a billion dollar
in our in the promoters’ mind? I mean what is the assumption going while saying something like
this, if you can just highlight?
Jagadish Nangineni: See, this is the market sizing is an ever-changing number as things grow then definitely and as
we start achieving our increased goals last year, we were at about 4,000 crores. I mean sorry,
last-to-last year we were about 4,000 crores, last year we were about 5,200. This year in the first
half we already achieved 61% of what we did last year, and I think we can do, we'll definitely
do far better than what we did.
So, as we are increasing our pace of sales, we continue to see the demand that's growing. The
understanding of the whole market and our ability to capture that market size will surely be
improving. So, it's not to be taken as that's a fixed number, but that's something that continues
to evolve.
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Dhruvesh Sanghvi: And just one thing which I keep asking about margins. So, just to keep the track of things, can
we say now have we hit the worst phase of the margin reported margin is over now because I
think last two quarters, three quarters I've been asking and you have been indicating that yes it
should we are in the near end of the worst phase of the margin profile, so is this correct and
supporting question to that is that yes we understand that we hit the lowest point right now, but
when do we reach to a 10% to 15% net profit margin after all cost, all taxes, is it now visible in
the next four quarters or no that upper cap is still much beyond the four quarter time zone?
Jagadish Nangineni: The revenue like in the CFO note we have seen and in the investor presentation we have seen we
have about 11,000 crores of revenue to be recognized of which almost 80% of that is from the
sale that we have done from FY22. So, the margins of those are decisively better than what we
had done previously and like I said, it is purely because of pre COVID sales and post COVID
cost.
So, that I think as we start recognizing those projects, it should definitely improve and in the
beginning of the financial year itself we had indicated that in the first three quarters it would be
roughly similar and from last quarter we should start seeing improvement.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Himanshu Upadhyay from O3 PMS. Please go
ahead.
Himanshu Upadhyay: My first question is relating to the margins only we are backward integrated company. We do
our construction on our own and even manufacturing of some of the things and still our margins
are pretty low, should not our margins be much higher over a period of time and is there any
scope to improve the efficiency and cost and what are you doing to improve your costs or
efficiency at the overall level I am not talking about just last four, five quarters, just a longer
term thought how do you look at your margins and what can you do to improve it internally?
Jagadish Nangineni: It’s a valid question because like you said we are a backward integrated firm and our premium
in the market is also good. Considering that it is natural for anyone to expect our margins to be
better. However, COVID period and probably a little bit post that which is particularly 1.5 years
where the efficiency of our own staff in a backward integrated model which has high fixed costs
has definitely taken part of the -- because of that we have seen some kind of erosion in the
margin, and we should start seeing better margins in future.
And second is from a long-term perspective we on a project basis we typically aim to achieve
anywhere between about 35% and that I think we have been able to do it in the last two years to
three years and those will start showing up in the P&L as well.
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Sorry last part Himanshu is the cost management and improving our efficiency as the scale of
the organization increases our ability for our core management which is in the construction and
the other backward integrated divisions that we have is certainly improving and we can see that
quarter-on-quarter not showing up in the P&L, but that should come up as the scale increases
and our pace of delivery certainly increases.
So, currently, it doesn't seem like that because our revenue recognition has been a little low, but
the completions have not been in line with what we are doing in terms of sales. As you see this
quarter, we have completed about 700,000 square feet whereas our sale is about 1.7 million
square feet. So, as in a mature model, we will have to do, we have to catch up for the delivery
with the sale and as we do that, these margins will also definitely start showing it.
Himanshu Upadhyay: Secondly, Ahmadabad has become an important market for us. We are seeing 4% to 5% of sales
from that market and the realizations are better than what we are doing in Tamil Nadu means
the average what we see on the 10% higher end. Again, 10% lower than Bangalore, is it a
sustainable market and we would like to grow in a new market like that or do you think it is only
a one off and once with 7,77,000 million or 1,000 square feet gets sold it is no longer a market
for us?
Jagadish Nangineni: Absolutely we were one of the first to. In fact, we are the first residential project in GIFT City
and the investment that we have done has really paid off, especially in the last two years plus
with the visibility of GIFT City and the traction that has developed in the core GIFT City
operations.
So, we think that with the kind of focus that the government has on the GIFT City, there is a
incredible interest in participating in the GIFT City story and in fact we are looking to add more
area to what we already have there and hopefully we should be able to do it and we should launch
a new project this quarter.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Parvez Qazi from Nuvama Group. Please go ahead.
Parvez Qazi: So, two questions from my side. First, I think existing inventory is fairly 3.5 million square feet,
whereas our trailing 12 months itself are about 6 million square feet. So, clearly, we do need to
launch more projects. Now you have said that the H2 will probably see 6 million, 7 million
square feet of launches, but on a sustainable basis like 10 FY25-26, can we go closer to the 8
million, 10 million square feet launch which is needed if we want to sustain our sales growth
that's the first question and second, we have seen some bit of improvement in a land related
CAPEX. So, how do we see that number going ahead and also our thoughts on the debt reduction
quantum going ahead?
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Jagadish Nangineni: On the part of new launches like I said first our focus is on to do the remaining 15 million which
we have clear visibility on those and that I think we have even if you do about for the remaining
1.5 years to 2 years, we do about 7 million to 8 million square feet. I think within value of that
about 10,000 plus that we are achieving and probably a little bit more.
I think we have a good pipeline right now and in addition to it like you observed that we are
doing certain CAPEX in the sense in land investments to increase that pipeline and from next
quarter onwards you can start seeing that the visibility of the pipeline which has been steady at
about 15 million for the last three quarters. We should start adding to those and the pipeline will
definitely grow.
Jagadish Nangineni: On the debt reduction in terms of the cash flow management like we have seen, we continue to
maintain a balance between both debt reduction and also the investment in new lands. Now that
we have started launching these new projects, I think we will have a robust cash flow going
forward and we are fairly confident that we will able to achieve both goals simultaneously, both
reduce debt and also increase the investment in land.
However, given the current debt level which is very comfortable for us. Based on the kind of
opportunities that we have our preference will start moving towards more towards increasing
our allocation towards new business development.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Pritesh Sheth from Motilal Oswal. Please proceed.
Pritesh Sheth: First question is again on growth if I look at certain I mean if I look at the contribution from
certain markets like NCR where we are now doing 1,500 crores of annual presales Bangalore is
also consistently now ramped up, probably next two years you have indicated a pipeline, but
beyond that if you want to maintain let's say 15%, 20% kind of a growth which markets are
going to contribute that growth considering the pipeline that we have right now and whether that
will come from the existing markets and we'll gain certain market share or newer markets will
also start contributing and if you can highlight any specific new markets that we know
particularly you're positive of ramping up in next couple of years?
Jagadish Nangineni: The growth will definitely come from both from our existing markets and any new locations that
we are going to be in, but the existing markets where we currently which is contributing the most
to us which is Bangalore NCR and Kerala the growth there one in Bangalore is definitely going
to be better because we have a lot of new land banks which are coming into the project level that
should see a good growth.
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NCR, we have in the last few years. We have built a good pipeline of projects and those which
unfortunately could not be launched for several regulatory reasons, but now we are getting them
also on online. So, in NCR also we have a good pipeline of projects. So, both these will drive
part of the growth and the next part of the growth is going to come from cities where we have
been present for some time like Pune and in Hyderabad, we are actively looking for new
opportunities there. And as and when things fructifies, we will add those into our pipeline, and
they should also contribute to our growth.
Pritesh Sheth: So, with this 15%, 20% kind of growth can be targeted over the next in the three to five years?
Jagadish Nangineni: We would like to be consistent in how we would like to grow, and I think we have a decent
pipeline for achieving that. So, we should be able to target that number.
Pritesh Sheth: And just one last on margins that’s on contractual business did see an improvement in margins
this quarter I think if I see the EBIT margins were around 14%, 15% odd this is the way how we
should look at this business now and then for the scale up in terms of margins will come from
residential and just one more there residential I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but did you
mention that we can clock 30% 35% kind of EBITDA margin in residential business?
Jagadish Nangineni: Your observation is right Pritesh that our contractual and manufacturing margins have clearly
improved because all the previous projects, majority of the previous projects which we had been
undertaking and where the costs have been higher. We completed those and these the new
margins that we are seeing is from the new projects that we have undertaken and in the last
couple of particularly in the last quarter we managed to do a better job in terms of margins.
We should be fairly steady from here on and in the real estate, this is what I was mentioning was
for any typical residential projects, whether today or in the previous time it was all we always
aim for at least 30% margins and we are seeing a slightly better than that 35% margins in some
of the new projects that we have launched and we'll continue to aim for that and those will get
reflected in the future is what I mentioned.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Mohit Agrawal from IIFL Securities. Please
proceed.
Mohit Agrawal: So, staying with the pipeline beyond FY25, could you give a color on what could be the
contribution from new project additions that you plan to do next quarter and onwards and from
your own land bank, so some sort of color as to will be 50-50 from your existing land bank and
new project?
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Jagadish Nangineni: The pipeline that we have for beyond this 15 million is largely it's from our existing land bank
because as a focus on in terms of capital allocation, it's makes sense for us to make the current
land bank more productive and that would largely drive the new launches that will happen and
the pipeline that we will create and the new business development that we have just started doing
in the last year or so, that will slowly come up, but the majority contribution will be from the
existing land bank.
Mohit Agrawal: So, the CAPEX that you've been reporting quarterly is that because you had earlier mentioned
that you'll also be investing to consolidate your existing land parcels and investing in new
project. So, the CAPEX that you have been doing so far, has it been towards consolidating land
bank or towards new project?
Jagadish Nangineni: Majority is for consolidating land bank and any of the previous queues that we have for the
existing land bank and a small part of it is for the new deals that we have done.
Mohit Agrawal: My second question is if you could elaborate a bit on the pricing behavior in the Bangalore
market, I was looking at Dream Acres project has been completed. It's a good example this will
double door price since 2015.
So, that's a high single digit kind of price increase, on a like-to-like basis what has been that the
realization number doesn't reflect because there's also a mix change over the last few years. So,
what is the like-to-like increase in prices that you have been able to take let us say in case of new
launches and you're in subsequent phases?
Jagadish Nangineni: If I may ask, so compared to what in what time period you are mentioning Mohit?
Mohit Agrawal: So, let us say, within a year let's say if you are launching a subsequent phase of an existing
project versus the last phase, what kind of price increase have you been able to take for a like-
to-like product let's say it could be a year or I just wanted to understand the CAGR in pricing
that we are seeing in Bangalore markets and your projects?
Jagadish Nangineni: The project pricing in the last one year has largely been nominal for an existing project because
there is a historical comparison of the project and hence when we increase the prices, that's
relative to the old pricing, but for a new project we are doing it much better pricing. So, from a
like-to-like basis in a year probably even if you had taken couple of hikes then it would be in the
inflation plus maybe about 2% or 3%.
Mohit Agrawal: And just one clarification, if I may the 7 million square feet launch pipeline that you have for
this year, could you share the GDV for that, the gross development value?
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Jagadish Nangineni: That would be at about we can say that at an average of about Rs. 11,000 to Rs. 12,000.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Abhinav Sinha from Jefferies India. Please go
ahead.
Abhinav Sinha: My question is on A how much ready inventory is left in Gurgaon now?
Jagadish Nangineni: The ready inventory in Gurgaon is in the existing pipeline actually we have just completed the
project which is Sobha City sales that also has been completed in the last month. So, we will
have to do in terms of inventory, it's all going to be new projects that are going to be launched.
So that if I see a visibility of that pipeline, there is a visibility of at least 4 million square feet.
Abhinav Sinha: No, and the international city are we like completely sold out now or something is left?
Jagadish Nangineni: The international cities are Villa project and wherein we completed phase one and phase two.
Phase three and four is a separate phase where we are looking to change the mix from the existing
villas, and we are trying to see if we can change the mix. Once if we can do that then probably,
we can achieve higher than what we had earlier envisaged and once the clarity comes that we
will add it in the pipeline, but the Sobha City which is the apartment project which was about
3.3 million square feet that's the one which is completely sold out now.
Abhinav Sinha: So, this may not contribute I mean till like say FY25 when the next phase of in Gurgaon starts,
right? So, this will slow down now in second half of the year?
Jagadish Nangineni: Gurgaon you are right, we are expecting to launch a commercial project in which we plan to do
a sale model for part of the area. If we are able to launch the project in the next quarter, then we
will again see some pickup in there.
Abhinav Sinha: And so, in that context are we on track or ahead of track of the 20% odd growth guidance that
we were looking for?
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Jagadish Nangineni: Like I said without any launches in the first half we did about 60% of what we did last year, and
with the new launches typically the interest and the bookings should definitely be better. So, we
have not changed at least in terms of any kind of forecast here, but I think we are in a strong set
here in terms of achieving a much better number than last year.
Abhinav Sinha: So, fair to assume that 20% NCR will be made-up by Bangalore and others broadly?
Abhinav Sinha: Second question which I had was basically I mean I think one of the previous calls you had
mentioned that promoters may look to do a rights issue or include some money in the company
now with the pledging done away with basically, are we like closer to that in the next maybe 6
months or something?
Jagadish Nangineni: The promoter and we are evaluating our capital requirements and also our ability to generate
cash for our future growth potential as well. So, it's an ongoing discussion and as things become
clear, probably that's at an appropriate time we will be able to convey that.
` But from a promoter interest point of view in India, it still continues to be very high and it's an
active consideration for their capital allocation.
Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Kunal Lakhan from CLSA. Please proceed.
Kunal Lakhan: My first question is on our approach so if you look at one of our Bangalore peers had launched
a very large project and launched all of the projects at once and also sold substantial in it. When
I look at our Neopolis launch you said that 1,875 total units, but we launched about 825 units
and of which 40% sold. So, is it a conscious approach to like launch in a phased manner or like
is it the like the demand is quite slow.
Just wanted to understand how if you were to launch this entire project together, what kind of
demand you could get and also like we should expect the same kind of a calibrated approach in
the upcoming launches that you would do?
Jagadish Nangineni: Kunal we have been following the approach of phased wise launch in projects right from the
inception and that's how we have been seeing how our projects also have done well while we
are capturing some kind of increase in the pricing as well.
So, there are two points here. One is that we are slightly more premium in terms of the pricing
and hence the kind of volume that we can generate at a single launch is a little different from
several other peers.
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Second, this approach has really helped us both from a project execution and also ability to
capture slightly or ability to realize slightly better pricing is in both cases, it's been very helpful
to us, and we continue to follow that approach.
Second, while we are doing this, we are not averse to launching new phases as the demand picks
up. In large projects nowadays all the phases of the project are RERA approved. So, as sales
pick up, we are ready to launch the new towers as well. So, it's entirely dependent on the pace
of sale that we can generate.
Kunal Lakhan: And also like in terms of like when you said that 2.5 million, 3.5 million square feet to be
launched in H2, which also includes some commercial development. I mean again like a follow
up on earlier questions only that are we being a little too conservative in terms of bringing in
more supply to the market when the demand momentum seems to be pretty strong and where
are our peers are capitalizing on it. I understand like your focus is slightly tilted towards value,
but volumes are also equally important to…
Jagadish Nangineni: We are really conscious of demand scenario and our success would entirely depend on our ability
to get the launches done as quickly as possible. We acknowledge that and we are absolutely
focused on doing it.
Kunal Lakhan: Secondly, on our cash flow, right, we did highlight that we'll incrementally focus towards growth
and that that is now manageable. So, if you look at your cash flows like after servicing debt,
you're generating about 200 crores plus on a quarterly basis. So, 800 crores, 900 crores annually
and how much of this would you earmark towards your buying land on an annual basis?
Jagadish Nangineni: These are largely allocating those towards debt reduction earlier. Now slowly as we got
comfortable, we have started doing it too for the new opportunities as well. So, going forward it
is entirely on two things. One is the quality of the opportunities that we get in terms of business
development, both for consolidation and the new opportunities so that we can allocate there.
And second is if that's entirely not possible, then it will obviously go for the reduction of debt.
But I think our ability to generate positive cash flow will keep getting better as we start launching
these projects which are specifically there, we invested in a long while ago.
Kunal Lakhan: And my last question is on what's the status of occupation certificate on the Sobha City project?
Jagadish Nangineni: So, the status that has not changed yet because we have contested what the JVNP has done, and
we are yet to see any change in the Legal forum that we have approached has stayed the whole
cancellation and that continues to be the case now.
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Moderator: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Dhwanil Desai from Turtle Capital. Please proceed.
Dhwanil Desai: So, my first question is that for the cities where we do not have land bank like NCR, Pune,
Hyderabad considering where we are in cycle, do you think that if you acquire land at current
prices our threshold of 35% gross margin can be achieved or will that become a hindrance in
terms of acquiring land bank?
Jagadish Nangineni: The NCR market we do have a pipeline and a land bank there. It's not that we do not have, but
we given the demand environment and also outlook that we have there is definitely scope for
adding more to the current portfolio and if we are very actively looking at new opportunities.
Dhwanil Desai: Will it meet your 35% gross margin threshold that you are kind of working with?
Dhwanil Desai: And second so just to understand the project economics for wherever you launch a project on
your own land without JV JD, is it safe to assume that most of the land which is coming from
your earlier land bank at historical cost. In the P&L, that cost will be less than Rs. 1,000 and
your cost of construction would be around Rs. 4,500, is that the right number to work with?
Moderator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, we will take this as a last question
for the day, I now hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments.
Management: Thank you, Adhidev. I express my sincere gratitude to all the participants in the call today. I
hope we have answered some of your questions satisfactorily. In case of any further questions,
please do reach out to us. We look forward to a good operational and financial performance in
the next half of the financial 24 and particularly within optimistic outlook towards the economy
and the residential sector.
We believe Sobha is very well positioned to grow with the disciplined operational and financial
model that we have built in the last several years and we will continue to pursue your goals with
fashion. Wish you and your families advance Diwali wishes and thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. On behalf of ICICI Securities, that concludes this conference. Thank you all for
joining us and you may now disconnect your lines.
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