Arme Poste
Arme Poste
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Fiore dei Liberi: Flos Duellatorum, 1410 (Pisani-Dossi, F. Novati, Bergamo, 1902)
5 spada longa in arme - armoured longsword
5.0 poste (guards)
5.0.1 posta breve, la serpentina (guard of the short serpent)
This same guard can also be used as an entry into close-quarters combat by simply transitioning to the guard of the true
cross by placing the blade against the opponent's blade resulting in the crossing of swords. This is accomplished by
arching outwards and forward of the right hand pivoting against the left hand gripping on the blade (guard of the
bastard cross) and stepping forward to press in onto the opponent. It is expected that this manner of movement is
deployed when the opportunity presents itself which may have been setup previously with the principle purpose of posta
breve, la serpentina.
Secondly, because of the grip on the blade, the foible is very fast and can deliver quick cuts in a circular motion in order to
attempt to hook the opponent's blade effectively setting it aside quickly followed immediately with a thrust or engage in
giocco stretto.
Grip: For the purpose of clarity, the grip configuration is explicitly described. Right hand: palm down, thumb forward
(inside); Left hand: palm up, thumb forward (outside). This is consistent with the illustration in the Getty's version. This
posta leads to an easy transition to the posta di vera croce in terms of posta to posta transitions.
The following text on the same plate is an introduction to these plates found in the treatise, which is indicated in the
figure above right. The following text appears on the first page of the longsword portion of the treatise, and is included
here for interest purposes including its translation.
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Hans Talhoffer, Fechtbuch aus dem Jahre 1467 1467 gewappnete ort
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Fiore dei Liberi: Flos Duellatorum, 1410 (Pisani-Dossi, F. Novati, Bergamo, 1902)
5 spada longa in arme - armoured longsword
5.0 poste (guards)
5.0.2 posta di vera croce (guard of the true cross)
Practical Application:
There are two readily
apparent attributes of such a guard. The first is the
wielder's orientation with respect to its counterpart
guard, the posta breve serpentina. The wielder has
the sword pommel oriented towards the opponent and
his stance is such that the body is held sideways, reducing the breadth of a visible target for thrusting from the
perspective of the opponent's posta breve serpentina.
The second attribute is the stance itself, which is illustrated with the wielder's weight bearing down on the leading left
foot while the trailing foot is positioned on the toes ready to leap into action in order to parry against an inbound thrust or
cut. The orientation of the sword enables the wielder to quickly hook the inbound thrust with the pommel, and while
hooked, rotate the sword around the hook bringing the point of the sword bearing upwards on the attacker concurrently
for a thrust to the face or throat while the wielder is rotating his body on the trailing right foot and passing forward with
the left towards the attacker. If the attack is a cut, a similar rotation of the body and footwork will ensue, however, the
inbound cut will be parried with the wielder's blade quite possibly resulting in cross-weapons and therefore, close-quarters
or possibly deploy a thrust to the face or throat. The angle of the parry would be deployed with the pommel around the
hip area or raised overhead to parry a fendente cut from above and thrusting to the face or throat. It is of interest that the
next illustration would be a posta serpentina soprano.
Grip: For the purpose of clarity, the grip configuration is explicitly described. Right hand: palm down, thumb forward
(inside); Left hand: palm up and to the right, thumb forward (outside). The Getty's version is somewhat unclear. The
orientation of the forearm and wrist suggests that the thumb is forward as is illustrated in the PD version, but it is not
entirely conclusive. With the thumb forward and palm up offers a smooth transition from the posta breve la serpentina to
the posta de vera croce. Secondly, this posta offers a smooth and easy transition in terms of grip placement, to the posta
serpentina lo soprano with a simple change in the orientation of the body, and chambering the longsword further back, i.e.
posta breve, la serpentina ==> posta di vera croce ==> posta sagittaria.
example applications/similarities
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Fiore dei Liberi: Flos Duellatorum, 1410 (Pisani-Dossi, F. Novati, Bergamo, 1902)
5 spada longa in arme - armoured longsword
5.0 poste (guards)
5.0.3 posta serpentina lo soprano (guard of the high serpent)
Grip: For the purpose of clarity, the grip configuration is explicitly described. Right hand: palm up, thumb forward
(inside); Left hand: palm up, thumb inside. This is consistent with the illustration in the Getty's version. This posta offers
easy transition (in terms of grip placement) to the posta di croce bastarda.
example applications/similarities
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Fiore de' Liberi: Flos Duellatorum [Link]
Sompno serpentino son lo soprano e ben armado grande punte zetto sotto mano
che son in erto e torno al piano.
Una forte punta ti buterò cum lo passare.
Ella è mia arte che la so ben fare.
Di toi tagli non me curo niente tanto so in l'arte che de grande punte io ti darò
gran parte.
/sompno/ I am the high serpent and is a good large armoured point /zetto/
within reach of you because I am steep and can return level.
A strong point with a pass to your throw.
Because to you, my abilities are made well.
Such that you can never cut me in this art because I lead with a great point
towards you.
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Fiore dei Liberi: Flos Duellatorum, 1410 (Pisani-Dossi, F. Novati, Bergamo, 1902)
5 spada longa in arme - armoured longsword
5.0 poste (guards)
5.0.4 mezza porta di ferro (middle iron door)
Synopsis: Liberi
indicated in his treatise
that most, if not all
techniques illustrated
can be accomplished in
armour. This definitely
applies to the middle
iron door. The verse
indicates, similarily as
the unarmoured middle
iron door that an
inbound thrust is easily
parried aside. The verses do not elaborate on the
footwork and therefore, the assumption is that the
same principles of the unarmoured middle iron door
apply with the armoured middle iron door as well.
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Porta di ferro la mezana son chiamata perché in arme e senza e fazo le punte
forte,
e passarò fora d'strada cum lo pe' stancho e te meterò una punta in lo volto,
overo che cum la punta e cum lo taglio enfra li toi brazi à intrado per modo che
io te meterò in ligadura mezana in quella ch'è denanzi penta e nomenadad.
I am called the middle iron door because in armour and without I can make
strong thrusts,
and I step aside with my left foot to pierce you as I turn the point,
in so much so as, with the point or with the edge enters there, through your
ribs, as an entry point, in such a fashion as I can put you in a half binding hold,
in which can give excrutiating pain and {nomenedad}.
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Fiore de' Liberi: Flos Duellatorum [Link]
Fiore dei Liberi: Flos Duellatorum, 1410 (Pisani-Dossi, F. Novati, Bergamo, 1902)
5 spada longa in arme - armoured longsword
5.0 poste (guards)
5.0.5 posta sagittaria (guard of the archer)
In practice, it was thought that the deployment of such a guard was the "last ditched effort", however, the text implies
that this may in fact, be an opening to giocco stretto in which the wielder would immediately open with the guard of the
archer, and throw the sword towards his adversary, and rush in to engage in close quarters combat. The thrown sword
makes for a very effective distraction, providing a moment in time for the wielder to move in quickly. The injury incurred
by the receiver is a "bonus".
Grip: For the purpose of clarity, the grip configuration is explicitly described. Right hand: palm down, thumb forward
(inside); Left hand: palm up, thumb forward (outside). This is consistent with the illustration in the Getty's version.
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Posta Sagittaria
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Fiore dei Liberi: Flos Duellatorum, 1410 (Pisani-Dossi, F. Novati, Bergamo, 1902)
5 spada longa in arme - armoured longsword
5.0 poste (guards)
5.0.6 posta di croce bastarda (guard of the bastard cross)
Practical Application: Despite the potential threat from the companion posta sagittaria, the opportunity with this guard
is that it is relatively quick, and should the opponent throw his sword, the guard can deflect the trown with the pommel
end of the sword, or the forte very quickly. This action then presents to the opponent the pointed end of the sword as a
result of the torso rotating in order to parry the in-bound sword. This places the opponent in a less than desireable
position. This posta is also quite effective in countering the other posta in which it hunts for the holes found in the
opponent's stance, i.e. those areas called the "crotch" between the hand grip and the sword. The posta can deploy an
offensive by plunging the pommel of the sword into these holes, if from below, then lift up and around to disarm or tie up,
or from below, pull down and around for a disarm or tie up. In any of these tie-up cases, the point of the sword can easily
and effectively come into play.
Grip: For the purpose of clarity, the grip configuration is explicitly described.
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example applications/similarities
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