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17. Do you barter?

I try not to barter (consciously trade) with other individuals in this world.  But I do trade with the Universe, with God, if you will - as do wild
creatures.   Barter (conscious trade) is simply money in a less convenient form.  So you use a cow to trade rather than a coin; what's the
difference?  Except that it makes more sense to use a coin or a bill than a cow, if you're going to trade.  Why not use what's more convenient?
  
Better yet, don't use any of it.  Give up all conscious trade.  Just freely give what is needed and freely take what you need and don't think about
trade.  Let God take care of trade.  Give up all thought of credit and debt, and only then will everything balance out.  "Vengeance is mine, I will
repay," says the Universe.
  
Go to a "progressive" barter fair and you will see what I mean: the same glazed-eye greed as you will see at a Wal Mart.
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Daniel Suelo's Blog: A phrase I use to refer to conscious trade (money and barter) is Thought of Credit and Debt, a term I use for the Judaeo-Christian term, the
Knowledge of Good and Evil, the one unique thing that separates us from other animals and from the rest of nature.  Renouncing this Thought of
Moneyless Credit and Debt is the way to return to the Balance of Nature, and it is the principle that drives me into this lifestyle.  In Christian terminology, it
is about giving back control of Redemption to the Divine Redeemer, the All.  In Hindu, Buddhist, and Islamic terminology, it is about renouncing
World - Free the fruit (reward) of our action.  It is about doing for the sake of doing, not doing out of ulterior motivation.  It is about Unconditional Love
(Grace), not Conditional "Love" (Law), which is not really love. 

World -   
I discuss our taking on Thought of Credit and Debt in two essays here:

Priceless World   
Our Fall From Grace: Our Departure From Gratis: The Beginning of Money
  
The Seven-Headed Dragon: World Commerce
  
I have been told that trade has been known in nature, particularly primates.  This I do not dispute.  But what I am talking about is conscious
Media trade.  Trade is, in fact, the very Law of the Universe.  Trade is basic physics.  Every Positive must be met with an equal Negative.  Every Action
must be met with an equal Reaction.  The world's faiths all describe this Law: the Law of Karma, the Law of Yin-Yang, the Law of Sow-and-Reap,

Videos the Law of Recompense.  This Law is, in fact, blatant proof that we have no need to control Credit and Debt.  It happens automatically all around
us, else the Universe would fall apart.  You don't have to worry about your next breath when you breathe out.  But we have lost faith in this most
featuring Suelo Basic Law.  
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There have been studies of primates that show, either that they practice what looks like barter, or they have been taught simple trade.  However,
when you examine such studies, you find everything shows that such trade in wild nature is not conscious, and, if trade becomes conscious, it
Radio Interviews must be taught to animals by us--us who have Knowledge of Good and Evil.  Check out these articles:

Why Don't Chimpanzees Like to Barter Food? (Science Daily)

Re: the Book,
The Man Who Quit Chimps Barter For Sex (Live Science)
Money How scientists taught monkeys the concept of money. 
Not long after, the first prostitute monkey appeared (ZME Science)
Author Mark Sundeen's website
Yes, this is about bartering with the Universe, with God, if you will.  What you give is given back to you by Jah.  "Payback is Mine, I will repay,
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says Jah."  What I give to you I really give to Jah, and Jah gives back to me.  There is never a mistake in transaction, no getting gipped, no bargain
fighting, as in the world of Canaan (literally, Canaan means "commerce").  How do I know this?  Because Nature is in perfect balance, in perfect
1. Why Do You Live Without Justice, perfect payback, while we have yet to witness any commercial civilization that is just, that can even balance its budget.  The injustice of
Money? (A Biographical Intro) crimes, both in politics and in the streets, is only a reflection of the injustice of commerce, the attempt to control payback, which belongs to Jah.
2. Do You Think Money Is Evil?   
3. What Do You Do For Food? Is this not what our own religion teaches us?
4. What do you do for shelter?   
5. What do you do for Even the stork in the heavens knows her appointed times;
transportation? And the turtledove, the swift, and the swallow
6. Do you get sick from dumpsters observe the time of their coming.
& roadkill & living in the cold? But My people do not know the Justice of Jah.
7. Do you take food stamps or . . . . Because from the least even to the greatest
Everyone is given to covetousness;
other government aid or From the prophet even to the priest
institutional charity? Everyone deals falsely.
8. How long do you plan to live (Jeremiah 8:7 & 10)
this way?
  
9. What will you do when you get
Give, and it will be given to you:
old? good measure, pressed down, shaken together,
10. What happens if you get sick or and running over will be put into your bosom.
injured? For with the same measure that you use,
11. What would happen to society if it will be measured back to you.
everybody lived like you do? (Luke 6:38)
What if everybody raided  
It's interesting that even our English word barter derives from the Old French barater, which means "to cheat, deceive."  Cheating is the
dumpsters? unavoidable fruit of barter.
12. You look well-fed and well-
dressed; are you a trust-funder?
13. Why don't mooches like you Comments
work?
You do not have permission to add comments.
14. You say you don't use money,
yet aren't you using products of
the money system & relying on
the hard-earned money of
others?
15. What do you do if somebody
offers you money or buys things
for you?
16. What do you do if you find
money?
17. Do you barter?
18. Isn't it hard living your life of
asceticism?
19. What about relationships?
Don't you get lonely?
20. Has anybody else ever joined
you?
21. Do you know of anybody else
who presently lives like you do?
22. Do people harass you?
23. Do want to change the world to
a moneyless world?
24. Your ideas sound nice, but
naive. Let's get real. Don't you
think, with all the thieves, the
lazy, the mooches & the greedy
that a moneyless, free economy
just wouldn't work?
25. Are you religious?
26. Don't you get scared or
discouraged?
27. I want to live moneyless; but
what if I have a family with
children?
28. You are a hypocrite/ a bum/
mentally ill/ an egotist/ self-
righteous, saying you live
moneyless. But you can live this
way only because you are in a
land of wealth & industrious
people. Aren't you biting the
hand that feeds you? Why do
you scavenge off civilization's
waste rather than live off the
land or grow your own food?
29. What about eyeglasses & dental
care?
30. What if I want to be free of
money. Where do I begin?
31. Why are you an extremist?
Shouldn't you follow the Middle
Way between extremes?
32. How do you maintain your blog
and website and do email?
33. What about hygiene? (And its
High Philosophy)
34. What about grooming?
35. What about clothing and
fashion?
36. How do you do laundry?
37. Don't you know about grace?
Aren't you trying to "work" for
your salvation?
38. Wouldn't Society Fall Apart
Without Money?
39. What Steps Must I Take To Be
Free?
40. What are you contributing to
society?
41. Do you stay at people's houses
when you're on the road, and do
you house sit when you're not?
42. Are you a minimalist?
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SOME OTHER FOLKS
VOLUNTARILY LIVING MONEYLESS
IN THE MODERN WORLD:
(This list is out-dated, and many of
these folks no longer live moneyless,
and others who do are not yet
included here. Heidemarie
Schwermer passed away in 2016 on
my dad's birthday, a month after
Daniel Suelo's dad died. I hope to
update these links soon)

Heidemarie Schwermer
living moneyless in Germany since 1996.
An English write-up on Heidemarie
A movie about her, Living Without Money
Her book, Das Sterntalerexperiment

Mark Boyle,
An Irishman living moneyless in the UK
freeconomy, online gift-economy community
he founded
His book, The Moneyless Man

Benjamin, Raphael & Nieves

(Forward the (R)evolution):
from Germany & France (repectively) who have boat-
hopped & hitch-hiked around the world with no money,
raising consciousness.

(the late) Peace Pilgrim

Most hard-cord of all of us! She lived nearly 30 years
without money, wandering North America with nothing
but the clothes she wore & a few items in her pockets
until she died at age 79!

elf Pavlik
Gave up money a couple years ago on the European
continent (he claims no nationality or state I.D.) and
has been bringing us moneyless folks together into a
cohesive movement.

Tomi Astikainen
from Finland. He gave up money a couple years ago
and has been traveling internationally since. He is
writing an online book for free!

Adin
proving "Umbutu" in South Africa. He started a 5-year
experiment in 2009 of not spending money, though he
raises it, not for himself, but for good causes.

Sonja Kruse
proving "Umbutu", in South Africa. She wandered
without money for about a year and discontinued
it to do other grand things with her life.

Öff Öff Jürgen Wagner

in Germany. Theologian living moneyless (I hope to
update about him when I know more).

C.J. Colwell- "A Twenty First Century

American Nomad" I just discovered this guy. Finally,
one other chap living without money in the USA, that I
know of!

There are probably others I've missed and many more

who are off the grid and under the radar who can't be
Please let me know if you
listed here.
know of other folks who've
renounced money.
(Also see Videos above)

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