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Today's date is Thursday June 21,2007 time now is 9:32 a.m. I'm Detective LT. Ken
Mitchell presently along \vith Detective Chuck Noles uh we're presently in the CID
office of the \:Vest Memphis Police Depariment conducting an interview with M:c Terry
Wayne Hobbs. un in reference to uh the triple homicide of the till'ee little boys from
1993. lIh the case number from 93 is 050666 is the case number, and uh I'd like to go
back over a couple of things with you in could to start off\:vith. l'hthe first form is a
Rule 2.3 Rights Fonn that Detective Noles went over with youjust a few minutes ago uh
did "'lOU understand-the2.3.and arevou here voluntarilv todav Terrv:
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Hobbs: I understood the lule and I am here \·oluntarily.

\fitchell: Ok the first signature below that is that yours.'

Hobbs: yes sir.

.\1itchell: and belo\\' your signature is that Detecti\'e "\oles as a witness')

I \vas not present v,'hen you \ovent O\'er the IlJle 2.37

Hobbs: (not audible)'

Mitchell. \Vhat's you're lih if you would state your full name and date of birth?

Hobbs: Ten)' Wayne Hobbs, 5.21.1958.

Mitchell: You're cunently how old right now?

Hobbs: 49.

Mitchell: Ok Terry uh what we'd like to do r know r was telling you just a few minutes
ago uh is uh the uh prosecuting attorney Mr. Davis has asked us to uh interview a couple
of peopleuh in light of some possible new evidence that may have come up and just to
fill some blanks I guess as far as this case goes that might be helpful. Dh and that's we've
been asked to do, that's why we called and asked you to ah Detective Noles called you
yesterday and asked you to come in. And I appreciate greatly uh your availability to us. I
mean you just came in and do this. What we'd like to do is to start out with if you would
if you would take us backto May the 5 t h, 1993 ok and I'm going to start offby just
asking a few questions and I'm gonna let you just kind of walk us threw the day in your
.mind what you can remember. If you're not sure of something you know just tell us
you're not sure or you don't know you don't know. Dh let me move this a little closer to
you make it real clear when you're speaking to us. Uh where were you living you
remember where you were living on May the 5th 1993?

ijobbs: May the 5th we were living on McAuiey 31. in West Memphis.

Mitchell: you remember the address?

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Hobbs: 1601

Mitchell:Vilho all lived in that house?

Hobbs: Dh Terry, Pam, Steve and Amanda.

l'vfitchell: Ok uh and I for the purpose of this intervie\v \vhen you say Pam "vho you're
talking about'?

Hobbs: Pam Hobbs 111)' wife,

\lirchelL and you said SreYe'?

Hobbs: Pam our, ]11.)' step son. Pani son

Mitchell: Vvl18r's his last name,

Hobbs:Steve Ed\vard Branch his full name.

Iv"::::J: ok and hu\\, old "vas Steve i.Lt ~he time')

Hobbs: at the time 8 years old.

Mitchell: Ok and you said Amanda?

Hobbs: Amanda Hobbs my dauglitel'she was four at the time.

Mitchell: "vas uh she your daughter with Pam?

Hobbs: conect.

Mitchell: you said she was four?

, Hobbs: conect, born here iIi West Memphis.

Mitchell: Ok and on May the 5th of that year was Pam working anywhere?'

Hobbs: uh Catfish Island in West Memphis I'm not for sure of the street but it's over by
that union 76, truck stop.

Mitchell: Ok and on at that particular time also were you working?

Hobbs: I was working at the Memphis Ic~ Compan:yin Memphis TN.

Mitchell y\lhere is Memphis?'

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Hobbs: 914 James St.

Mitchell: is it still 00...

Hobbs: still there.

rvfitchell: Still there?

Hobbs: urn huh.

\Iitchell: \\'hat was your jC1b title and jub desCliption for (not audible) ':)

Hd)bs: r \i'aS a merchandiser I sold ice cream.

JvfitcheJl: You ha've uh you do that O\'er the phone': Or did you have a route or';

Hobbs: r ran a route.

!',1itchell: You had a route? \Vhat did your route consist of?

Hobbs: Dh going to rna and paw stores little corner grocel~ies and filling up tI-eezers and
selling ice cream.

Mitchell: was thatuh was your route strictly in TN or?

Hobbs: no I come to West Memphis; M-arronby Fonest city out that way Marianna.

Mitchell: You have a route in Tennessee and Arkansas?

Hobbs: and Mississippi.

Mitchell: And Mississippi ok uh do you remember working on May the 5th 1993?

Hobbs: I do.

Mitchell: what was your, do you remember your schedule that day what time you got up ,
and went in and what time you got home.

Hobbs: Now usually everyday went in about 5:30a.m. and git off around 2; 2:30, 3
o'clock p.m. ,uh bout every day.

Mitchell: now this particular day May the 5th you remember abut what Time you got
---horne?

Hobbs: roughly guessing round 3 or 3:30 some em like that.

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Mitchell: And was anybody home when you got there?

Hobbs: Pam and Amanda was home.

Ivlitchell: lJh did you see Steve any \vhere?

Hobbs: I did not, he \vhat'n there. -

:vIitchell: Do you lu10\Y v;here he was at'?

Hobbs: \\'hen I \\"alked in I always checked on the kids and 1 didn't see Steve so I asked
Pam v,-here's Steye and she he \,,'erlt offt,-, ride hisbic:,:cle v;ith ~\'lichael \:Ioore, His
bicycle \\hich his grand parents had just bought hini prior to that lhy_ And ..

:Aitchell: what uh if you can remember" Tmean was it uh anything about the day that
stood out up until that point.

Hobbs: naw just another vvorking day gittin home fi'snll \vark and Pam \vas cook supper.

Hobbs: nothing other than Steve v'!hat'n home and I always wanted to know where the
kids at. That's why Tasked her.

Mitchell: do you kno\v what Amanda was doing at that time or. ...

Hobbs: seem like she \.,,'as in Steve bed room watching TV.

Mitchell: nobody else in the house other that you and Pam and Amanda?

Hobbs: Right..

Mitchell: did anybody come over while you were home after you got in? -

Hobbs: No urn um.

Mitchell: did Pam work that particular day?

Hobbs: she did.

Mitchell: you know what her hours were?

Hobbs: 1 thank it was from 5 ti119 or closing what evertime'-tney closed. Might have
'been ten but it seemed like it was nine.

Mitchell: How mciny uh how many different vehicles did y' all owri at that time?

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Hobbs: I know of two but it could of been three cause I like to work on old trucks and I
had I believe I had one at that time. I like to restore trucks and sell em I know we had
. tvvo vehicles.

Ivfitchell: \-Vas the other nvo ones that you drove?

Hobbs: correct.

:vfitchell: do you remember what they \'i"ere')

. Hobbs: (nOt audible)

\!Iltchell: Did both you and Pam dliw daily"

Hobbs: yes I dro\'e one to \\'ork. Trying to think if Pam dro\'e to work it's a long time
ago. ',,\ie had a Lebarron little Chrysler Lebanon, we bought from City motors here in
Vv' est Meniphis that might ah been what I \vas driving at the time.

Hobbs: No maybe blue. I'm just guessing.

Mitchell: now uh this particular day the 5 th uh you remember what time Pam left for
work?

Hobbs: V\lhen I came when I got home and seen Steve what'n there she told me he had he
pose to be home at 4:30 so by the time T gothol'ne she was cooking supper and I would
walk out to the dliveway and to see if I could see em coming down the road on his
bicycle cause he liding his new bike and didn't see so we waited around she had to be at
work by five and I would go in and out of the house to see ifI could see him coming
cause I had to take her to work and you know you just don't leave your kids at home by
themselves or we didn't. He didn't show up

Mitchell: Is there any particular reason you had to take Pam to work?

Hobbs: I don't know if there's a paliicular reason I just did it it just the way we did that
and I took her to work and I pick her up fi.;om work...

Mitchell: Ok so who all went when you took Pam to work who all went?

Hobbs: I drove, Pam went with me and Amanda.

Mitchell: ok lih let me back up just a second. During this time period 1993 up to say from
the beginning of 93 up to the 5th of May uh describe your marriage with Pam? . What how
was your marriage how would you describe it?

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Hobbs: It could hav:e been better. We had some Pam had problems of staying faithful she
really did. And that got me she had uh something she \vasworking at Poncho's one time
we got and we had pool parties every once in a \vhile and some of the people from
Poncho's would come over an:d one night I come in there after one of the pool parties she
didn't v,'ant the drunk people to drive so \ve decided to you know fallout where ever you
laid that's where you woke up at. Well one night git up going threw the house looking at
people making sure everybody's ok and Pam isstanding there \vrapped up in the anns of
a man his name is Jessie and he vV'orked at poncho's v,'ith Pam. \VeH I \vhip the dog out of
Jessie probably \\'hat'n right but I did and but you kncw,' that that happened so I'm not
gone to S3 y' \ye had the perfect maniagebut that did happen during before all that
happened, But uh \\'e had 8 pretty good maniage Lthought. Some time you get screwed.

\1itchell: You remembei'whm room they \\'ere in':

Hobbs: The kitchen.

lv£itchell: the kitchen. Nov,' uh any other problems come to mind as far as your maniage
at all during that time i)rior to the Sih of !\,1a')' ob·\'iously.

Hobbs: not really other than her family, You know cause I met Pam in that (not audible)
she asked me to many her. Her dad let me know right off the bat you aint gotta make her'
happy you gotta make me happy. And I kindathought well that's kinda odd I'm not
ma.rrying you I'm malTying the girl. That was uh the statement was made and I don't
know nothing bad I could thank of that happened. You know other than I seen uh son in
lavY,Lhe.at up fi'om the dad and the brother. Them girls woul'd-eall home crying to dad or
mom my husband did this I seen the brothers and dad go beat em up. And I just thought
well I don't want that to happen to me I tried to stay away from em.

Mitchell: you and Pam ever have any kind of physical confrontation at all during that pali
of your malTiage?

Hobbs:, Naw, not that I could thank of.

Mitchell: uh as far as the children uh as far as Steve and Amanda uh discipline who did
either or both of you discipline the kids when they did wrong?

Hobbs: we would sure.

Mitchell: both of you?

Hobbs; well not to (not audible)

MitcheJ.t:-:No'that's not what I'm saying I was say would both of you, how did you
discipline your children? '

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Hobbs: wit a belt. And I would make em stand in the comer and I would ground ern or
take something away that they like. Steve like Nintendo game so we would bar him from
Nintendo or bar him from riding his bicycle.

Mitchell: \f\lhat about Pam ho\v did she discipline the kids.

Hobbs; when she would yell at em, not yell not mean but just being a mom that left it up
to dad most time she but she would \vhip em on occasions.

:\!fitchelL Uh so I guess ben\'een the t\\"o of YOU \vho is the biQ:Q:er disciDlinarv'?
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Hobbs: Dad,

\fitdiell: Ok uh \vas there anything in par1icular that y'OU can remember that Ste\'e \\'215
real interested I'm saying an 8 year old little boy typical 8 year old little boy: any thing he
was really into at that as far as some stuff he really' like?

Hobbs: \Vell he like to watch them Ninja TU11les on TV and he would get out there and
fake he was BIllct Lee you know doing his karate back flips,he like the swimming pool
the house had a nice swimming pO')! j,,!v: b2;ck yard and he enjoyed that. and he: go', mto
ah the Boy Scout you knO\V hewimted that race that year \vith them little cars that they
had to make ...

Mitchell: Oh the soap box derby how'd he do?

Hobbs: y~C!.I'!_h~won that race,

Mitchell: Did he reall y?

Hobbs: Yeah

Mitchell: Urn Steve friends did he have any friends that he was particularly close to or
hung out with Moore? .

Hobbs: I'm say·a boy name George I don't know his last name at the time is George and
Michael and Chris. And then we have some friends lived a couple streets over that we
would go over there and of course they had the girls was a little bit older than Steve was
at the time but he had cIllsh on her I thank or she might had a c111sh on him

Mitchell: you know tfle name of those people?

Hobbs: Yeah David and Bobby Jacoby.

Mitchell:·-wftat-sfreet did they live on?

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Hobbs:' where we lived you get on McAuley one or two streets over Idoh't know the
name of the street but we go over there, and I got David ajob with me one time (not
audible). He started to work over there \;t,rhere I was ',';Torking at the ice cream company
kinda of help him out and we playing guitars together and over you know Pam knew em
from Blytheville that ho\v I met em. And I didn't really know em I met em threw her and
I got em a job \vhere I worked at they \\'as kindaof struggling I was just trying to be nice
and help out.

Mitchell: where are ,you originally from?

Hobbs: Ca\'e City .-\rkansas,

\lirchell: CneCity,

Hobbs: yeah (not audible)

:viitchell: L'h what about Pam':

Hobbs: From Blytheville.

MitchelL From Blytheville

Hobbs: Hom Steal MissOUli and up in there.

Mitchell: Ok ub did Steve ever have any fl.-iends come over and spend the night sleep
over or anythinKlike Jhat?

Hobbs: He did I'm trying to thank Michael may have came I'm not sure it's been a while.

Mitchell: sure certainly.

Hobbs: But seem like there were some kids come over I can't remember George may the
little boy name George.

Mitchell: You ever remembet Steve ever going spend the night at somebody else's house?

Hobbs: Yes sir, his grand parents a lot and then maybe his aunt's and uncle's on Pam's
side of the family I don't know about in West Memphis though I don't think so possible
but I can't remember those.

Mitchell: Do you remember when y'a11 moved to West Memphis?

Hobbs: 86 or 87 sometime before-the tornado had come threw here.

Mitchell: y'a11 move here before or after the tornado?

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Hobbs: After aftervvards.

Mitchell: Dh going back to May the 5th you said before and correct me ifL'm wrong ok
please and you said that you took Pam to \vork at Catfish Island and who went with you
\\Then you took her?

Hobbs: A.manda.

.\1itchell: Ok and \';hen you dropped Pam off at \vork \\'here did you and Amanda go from·
there':

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\vent back by the moor's house and just staried going street to street in the neighborhood
. to see if \ve could ·find him.

lVIitchel1: You said you went by did you talk to Mr. And Mrs. Moore?

Hobbs: Naw cause I don't thank Dmvn or Daniel was home at the time. Dawn \vas you
know \-\le did talk to her you know we other than ask her where Steve or mike here when I
took Pam to work. When I come back you know I didn't see any change you know
bi cycles in the £i'ont YP11::Ls...QYle just drove around street to street in the neighbQr:hoQd to
see what we could see.

Mitchell: you and?

Hobbs: Amanda.

Mitchell: you and Amanda ok. Dh how long did you do that?

Hobbs: Probably 30 minutes. I 'went maybe uh an hour I don't know about the times
exactly but after we went back to see if we could find him in the neighborhood me and
. Amanda I took Amanda ta well we both went home and I said come mon we'll go walk
around the neighborhood and.see if we can hear em behind them fences in somebody's
yard cause I didn't know here George lived that's one of his little friends. But we was
gone see if we get hear em playing behind them fences, privacy.fence so we did that for a
while and didn't see nothing. We went back to our house and we hadn't been there very
long and they had pulled up and asked if Michael was at our house. I said no they
suppose to be at your house, she said Ijust-Ieft from my house and they're not and I'm
looking for em. And l'said--wec-&een looking for em and she. .. .

Mitchell: Did Ms. Moore say that the boys had ever been at her house the (not audible)?

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Hobbs: I thank she said that but you know I told her I said they were suppose to be at
your house so we went by there on our '.vay to work to take Pam to work. And then we
come back by we didn't see no bikes so \ve walked around (not audible) fixing to drive
around some more, we headed back to yourhouse, she said well I'm headed my house
cause Don was there. I said \ve'll follow you over there.

Ivfitcl1ell: Viho is Davm?

Hobbs: DaVin's their'daughter,

\[itchel!: How lJlo is she at the time best guess')

Hobbs: 6

\fitcheJI: 6 years old':

Hobbs: '\a\\ she \yas older than six. I thank she \.vas ten maybe eleven,

Mi tchell' Ok what about Mr. lv100re did you ever talk to him (not audible)?

Hobbs: 1'-.10 he was a truck driver something (not audible),

Mitchell: Ul1 so after you talk to Ms. Moore she comes by your house tells you that she' s
looking for em looking for the boys too. At this do you knO\v anything about Chlistopher
Byers:

Hobbs: No

Mitchell: so what do you do after you talk to Ms, Moore?

Hobbs: She said she going to her house and I said well I'm coming over there too. And so
we went over there and Dawn was still there and Dawn said she seen em go this wayan
the bicycles so while we're standing there in her front yard talking here come a big
boggle looking dude walking cross the street. And I looked at him and I said whose that?
And of course it was Mark Byers that's when I first met Mark Byers. And he look like.
shags be at em (not audible). But he come across the street and he said have y'all seen
Chris? And we said no but have you seen Michael and Steve? No, I thank light then is
when we put together that they might have beentogether at that time.

Mitchell: Well when uh Dawn Moore says she saw em going up the street did she say
who all she saw?

Hobbs: No,

Mitchell: But she said they were all ...

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, Hobbs: When Dana said she asked her were she out there you know Michael been home
has he called some em like that and was Steve with him some em like that. and uh Mark
coming walking across the street saying y' all seen Christopher? I thank right then is when
v\;efigured out they might of all three been together.

J\.1itchel1: and you never met Mark Byers before that day?

Hobbs: ?'-Jo.

:',,1 itchell : Ok \'/hat happens :vou still have Amanda \\'ith you")

HtJbbs: Con'ect.

\'11tchell: OJ< \\hat happens then':

Hobbs: I belie\'co I dri\'e around a little bit more looking for em and then just go back to
David and Bobbi's house and 1 drop Amanda off there and I ask David I said will you go
help me go try to tind these boys. He said come on lets go. Cause he knev/ Steve up in
Blytheville, he knew Pam's first husband and he kne\v Pam most of her life or all of her
11["" :Iud:: wor:'~:i''; ''lith him ~ecrn ijke t,i pretty good guy j'Job ~ike :.::~ Top, JIe h: llert""
j

hair, long beard and so uh he went with me, we drove around he was with me probably
(not audible).

Mitchell: When did you see Pam again?

Hobbs: 'When [ picked he up from WQrL_

Mitchell: and you know about what time that was?

Hobbs: It's right at 9 o'clock.

Mitchell: And when you went to pick her up who all was with you?

Hobbs; Ainanda.

Mitchell: Just Amanda?

Hobbs; I picked her up yeah cause I had her with me.

Mitchell: When you met Pam uh at her job what was the first thang y'a11 talked about?

Hobbs: Pam like every other night come out the the buildingwith two pieces of candy
.one for Amanda one for Steve. She came out that night-with two pieces of candy and she
asked where's Steve? I said Pam we-hadn't found him yet. And she says he's dead. I said
Pam don't say that, don't even thank that. I was getting nervous a little bit before I cO,uld
come up because it was starting to get dark and when the kids was out there after dark as

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a parent you know you get them things. But the first thang Pam said that he's dead, and I
said don't say that. He is. I say how what makes you say that? I don't know why she said
that but she said that.

Mitchell: You knO\V who uh who was the first family or the first ones to call the police on
this?

Hobbs: I knO\\' while I'm at Dana's house \vhere I first met Mark \ye said right then we
v\'as gone call the police, I thought I called em before that I can't remember seem like I
did, I aint gone sit here and say that. I'm just trying to thank back.

\1itchell: Did you baw 3 home phone at that time you would you ha,'ecalIed from your
home';

Hobbs: '.law pay phone,

:vlitchdl: Pay phone, Did you ha,'e a working home phone at that time'?

Hobbs, sure

Mitchell: did you';

Hobbs: My main reason call from there is cause I don't remember that but I remember
when we was at the Moor's house I met Mark. I remember telling Dana cause they both
said they was gone call the police and I told__eDLone of us you know tell em Steve aint
here too, So I thank I didn't call I didn't make that call1igl1t then cause I had mention
that to Dana.

Mitchell: After you have gotten and picked up Pam where do y'all go? What happens
then I guess?

Hobbs: I thank we go by the house first or we might have went to Robin Hood first over
in the wooded area where someone the last people that we talked to said they seen em
going into the Robin Hood area. We didn't know there was a Robin Hood area there.

Mitchell: Who did you talk to that said they seen em the boys going there?

Hobbs: Some of the neighbors probably. There was a lot of people out there and we was
going door to door asking have you seen three little boys? And someone said they had
seen going to Robin Hood around the time some show come on so after that seem like
from that point on we just couldn't let go of Robin Hood.

Mitchell: What did you know about Robin -Hood?

Hobbs: Didn't know a thang about it.

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Mitchell: Ever heard of it before that day?

Hobbs: Not a thang. \Vhen we got out there I kept seeing our boys coming out here.
Cause the stuff look like ....

Mitchell: Describe what you remember it look like?

Hobbs: The jungle. Look like something that gro\vn ups \vould go in not kids. And just-
trail the vvooded area. There v,;ere ditches and \vater back there, I couldn't see 8 year old
boys hanging around.

:'vlitchell: So YC1U I take it you went into this \\'ooded area':

Hobbs: b11 huh.

l\/1itchell: Who all do you remember who all \ovent into that wooded area during the time
you were there'?

. ':< .' I .1ki\'. ·,..vh·.'rl the r:ui.:>,~ were called R,-:gina come out ar:J :.;h<:. ",vel <. i.!l"~j';;W(;O(LS a
little ways and we turn around and come back out cause it was hot it was muggy and it
was growed up and it was full of mosquito's and everybody was gittin mosquito bit and
so everybody was (not audible) coming to shift changes and Regina told us that she was
going to pass it on down there to the (not audible) all this was going on out there but
there's a lot of people.

Mitchell: Regina no\ov is that a police offIcer'?

Hobbs: Regina Meeks.

Mitchell: Ok, ok.

Hobbs: There's a lot of people out there.

Mitchell: Do you remember if you could tell me as many people you can remember by
name?

Hobbs: David,.

Mitchell: Jacoby

Hobbs: I didn't know anybody else

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Hobbs: Not until I picked her up, and we went in together.

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Mitchell: Did you go into the woods before you picked up Pam?

Hobbs: sure.

£\'1itehell: You did? you remember bout \vhat time that was?

Hobbs:60r 6:30.

\litchell: A,TId \yho \yas with you at that time':

Hobbs: Dc:'l\'ici.

H,)bbs: Just a lot ofneighborboocl people cause it was people on three wheelers. four
wheelers, motor cycles, bicycles on foot that v,'as you know help calling their seh'es
I1t~lping us look for the kids.

lv1itchelL~. d1ing tilat you S9", . '.~~ it c~'<.. ~:gL~ or \,!Jrk when Y\ill --';~it out there tL;:'
first time?

Hobbs: (not audible)

Mitchell: Daylight anything out there that struck you as unusual or odd that you saw'?

Hobbs: Nothing that was left, I wouldn'tofbeen outthere at least I have you know. And
we were told one time that there was something covered a whole or something and they
thought they might been in that whole so some of them little kids that knew \Ii!here that
place is at said they'd go check it. I thank uh the little Byers boy the one that was alive
theirs another on alive (not audible) cause I thank he was gone go meet some of the
people there I don't know what they was talking about.

Mitchell: Is that suppose to be out there in that wooded area also?

Hobbs: (not audible)

Mitchell: Uh so when you how long you think you stayed out there in the wooded area
the first time? Robin Hood area?

Hobbs: I don't know cause we would drive around looking and then go down the service
road looking and stuff in there and walk out in there from both sides.

M:i:-t-eheH-:-Bidyou see anybody uh hanging around that area. If you 'had yourbest guest I
guess Terry how many people your best estimate howmany people during this first time

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you're out there do you think are out in that area looking?

Hobbs: Tvventy to fOlty.

Mitchell: Twenty to forty if that's a good number that's a large amount of people. \Vere
any of em police officer that time OF they just citizens.

Hobbs: Just Regina and after shift change another officer come out but he aint go in the
''.'oods he stayed with his car. ~

,\Iitchell: And \:i,'hen you get done is this first time your out in the vl/ooded area" Ok \yhen'
:;QU lea\'e there how long after you kaye there you go pick up Pam'?

Hobbs: I picked Pai11 up at 1: o'clock uh you know not only are we lookirig in the
wooded are but people keep saying well there's three boys riding their bicycle oyer here,
We seen three boys o\'er here someone said three boys then vve'd go ever where \ve
heard, I know I did I don't what you know time v,:as in the \A/oods I seen Mark and his
wife Melissa driving down the service road looking for (not audible) in the woods,

., '::he::_~ner; ,il Uftci' YC/U got Tc,·~.iJ you go stl~;ight back to tlle R",:<g Hood"
after you picked her up from work?

Hobbs: Pam?

Mitchell: I'm sony Pam excuse me.

Hobbs: UhI belie've we did.

Mitchell: And did she go in the woods that time with you?

Hobbs: Um huh,

Mitchell: Ok where was Amanda?

Hobbs: Probably at the Jacoby's you know (not audible) Pam wanted to go in the woods.

Mitchell: At that time after you pick Pam up you go back to the Robin Hood area how
many people are in the woods at that time?

Hobbs: I know Pam called her dad, and herdad and mom come down from Blytheville,-
they're with us same of that night. I can't tell you exactly what time (not audible) night.
Most of the night matter offact and I don't know how manypeople at the time was with
us cause you know David-was still with me and then Pam got with me, but Pam'was-also
with her-dad and-mom that night.

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night to McAuley?

Hobbs: \Ve did so we could change clothes. Pain had her work uniform on and she
wanted to go by and change so we did. And might put on oil slick or something to keep
the mosquito's off of us, cause we (not audible) but rdid take her by the house so she
could change.

?\fitchell: Did y'all go back to the Robin Hood area after you changed and she changed':

Hobbs: .-'ell night long.

\litchell: Let's mow fOl'\\'clrd t(l daylight on May 6 the next moming. calTY me from
(layllght un. tell me \\'hat's going on \\'hat )'ou doing'! \\hat you and Pam are doing':

. Hobbs: Daylight uh Pam had made the statement to the police or somebody' that ber e;\.-
husband she thought done it. Cause we couldn't find Steve didn't knO\:v where they was
at. She tbought he might kidnap Steve. So they called him and he comes down the next,
}1~oming Etnd there's a gu:y a bum \);,talking dovincrossing that bridge by CatfIsh Island on
. . et .llat l\!~;:. _J'l S L

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Mitchell: At the time it was i street at the time where CatfIsh Island was located.

Hobbs: Ok theirs a bum walking on that street and he's v,iet and looking ten:ible but he
\valks all gits on the rail road tracks and starts going west.

Mitchell: Did you see this person?

Hobbs: I see this man.

Mitchell: it's a white male, black male

Hobbs: black

Mitchell: black male. Uhjust give me a good physical description the best you can. How
old you think he is and what he looks like.

Hobbs: I'm not good at guessing but seem like he had long lot hair, just old raggedy
looking clothes, maybe 40's his age roughly guessing 30's, 40',for his age. We noticed
him I did especially cause of that you know we're focused on Robin Hood he's coming
from that area, he's noticeable that image sticks in frame. So we spend therest of the
morning after day light we go to the schoolsee if they showup at school. Uh we was still
liding around still walking around-threw Robin Hood.

Mitchell: who is we when you're talking about we?

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the night. Pam uh her dad, myself, David up until I asked David I say when you leaving
you gotta go home cause you gotta go to work in the morning. Just friends and we really
not friends its family. Really me arid David and her dad for a while.

Mitchell: No\\" uh you said you seen this sav,! this black male' ub \X/ho was \,;/ith you \vhen
you sa\\' him?

Hobbs: Pam \-.-as there seem like Steve, Pam's ex-husband might have been in the area
I" m not sure ifhe' d made it there yet. but uh r don't knO\\' I'll be honest about it. He \\'as
somebody that just looks like a bum.

\'fitchell: take us on threw just keep going \\ith \I-hat you relTlember tram that point.

Hobbs: After we go to the schools \ye go back to Robin Hood well there's the media
there thankBen \'Vatson that a reporter (not audible) of course we had called mark had
called search and rescue from Marion and they said they couldn'r come until \\:' est
Memphis Police Department call em and said show up you know come out here we've
got problems, So you know we felt like we done all we knew to do and day light comes
, ro 1"n,' ~,; :.....-::. ",J, j'(,,).1.'K J:-~d IV.'1 e I'1.:::5a \\<-ott ,hum:; ~,.unng
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daylight. And so we go to the school they don't show up we go back out to Robin Hood
there's the media there live broadcasting live and didn't what two long after that here
come search and rescue here come police officers il.'om every where and the (not audible)
you know they stmi there searching and doing thangs I'm watching and talking to some
of em as they're going down the bayou in the little boat they tell me they gone drain the
bayou something like~thaLLdon't know. We spend the rest of the day still riding_round
me and Pam. And her dad had to take his wife back to Blytheville to be with the kids up
there and while they were up there the next day while they're up there me and Pam is
riding round to git something to eat and we couldn't eat. And I go soniewhere and we
heard somebody say they found three boys and they tell us it's on that road by the
apmiments over there. and so we fly back over there me and Pam and Jo Lynn might
have been with her at the time seem like she was but I'm not sure.

Mitchell: Jo Lynn?

Hobbs: Her sister.

Mitchell: Pmn's sister?·

Hobbs: Yeah and seem like she might have been don't quote me on that. but we git back
over there see the crime scene tape right there and we don't know what's going on but '
there's a lot of people there. we park our vehicle get out we start running up to the tape
Pam faints and I help her git back to the--G-ar;and I go up to the crime scene tape Gary
Gitchell is standing mere I pass-Pam husband ex-husband he said they wantlet you up--
pass the tape, and I said something to him kept on walking I get there Gary Gitchell
standing there I ask him I say's have you found I didn't know Gary and I asked him have

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y' all what you find? He said three boys. He said I thank it's a homicide or it look like a
homicide or something like that. I asked him what? He said it look like they been,
murdered. And Ijust fall on my knee's and start crying I look back and there's Pam she's
they're trying to get her woke up she hard time.

Mitchell: I'm going to change sides real quick on this.

Side B:

\'1itchell: So you talk to Gary Gitchell and he told you what we found what the:" found uh
they are treating it as a Jll,micicle is that right:

Hobbs: I guess he just told me it looks like ah homicide (not audible) ,

\IitchelJ:. You hear anything were there a lot of people around there at thattime"

Hobbs: There was.

Mitr'hf':ll: Dic1 vau hear anvhody sEi"ing anythir"~ "h(\llt it :ll1V m:'\mers circulatinp.: at ;h8 t
Lime that you remember hearing':

Hobbs: No

Mitchell: How long did you stay there you stay there a while or try to get Pam out of
there or what did you do?

Hobbs: trying to get Pam back to the house (not audible) we got her back to the car and
back to the house I don't lQ10W how long.

Mitchell: Now, as far as Steve did he have any I guess for the lack of a better (not
audible) any prize possessions that he kept with him? Anything that he wore or kept in
his pockets or anything that you would know of that you would remember from back
then? Anything that would in the mind of an 8 year old anything he would they might
consider special?

Hobbs: Maybe ah his I thank he might had a ninja pro watch r guess (not audible) seem
like I remember that. I don't know (not audible) and that's (not audible)

Mitchell: Its myunderstanding uh when I sit down and talked to Pam a couple days ago
that uh you and Pam are now divorced?

Hobbs: That's conect.

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Mitchell: You remember what year you divorced?

Hobbs: In 03 I thank, I guessS.

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Mitchell: '\\''here was the divorce \vheredid you go to (not audible) the divorce?

Hobbs: Never had to go to cOUli, I used an attorney in Osceola (not audible). He "vas
wanting a (not audible).

Mitchell: Ok Gn so \vas this an uncontested divorce'?

Hobbs: l'rn huh.

\fitchdl: l'h \\ho filed'!

Hobbs: I did.

Tv1itchell: You did': tnder what were the grounds:

Hobbs: All the abuse. the accusations, the threats tore us apart (not audible).

Mitchell: If you could can you explain that to us \vhat you're talking about?

Hobbs: Um huh. After this happen for some reason Pam and some of her family turn
around start telling people Terry Hobbskilled them kids. I don't know \A/hy they done
this and so she convinced her brother Jackie Jr. that I killed them kids and l1e would
make threatening remarks to me I'm gone kill you. Ifit hadn't been for dad I \vould have
kilt you already he said. I couldn't for the life of me understand why they would thank on
this line but the abuse had been goiD.~_~I.!:tund telling people I did it. The threats was
coming from the family the boys brother that he was gone kill me for doing this. Which I
didn't do this but (not audible) it took a toll on the Hicks family I never seen of course
I've never been around anything like this so I didn't know what to expect but I ,vas
seeingthangs I just couldn't believe. And (not audible) going around accusing everybody
in West Memphis I mean we go down and talk to come down and talk to the policeand
Pam would call off people names she didn't know. But still accusing folks so they would
go out and ask questions I guess. I just seen it take a toll on this family I couldn't imagine
it, I couldn'tullderstand it.

Mitchell: Did you ever have any incidents with anybody in Pam's family any kind of
physical confrontations or anything after this happen?

Hobbs: Sure me and Pam bought a home in Raleigh and Pam being at the time stmggling
with this we just bought this home up there and we didn't know anybody up there. So you
konw I (not audible) with the ice cream company and one of the boys that family Own
the ice cream company his girlfriend had come back home so we (not audible) and Pam
.·_·---·--and Amanda would go by there when we would go-bicycling through the neighborhood
and Amanda had met some girls down the street cause she was (not audible) so instead of'
Pam going down there with her I ask Pam why don't you ride down with her. You know
them girls she wouldn't do it. so I ride down their k~ep my eye on them I just lost one

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baby I what gone lose another one. So I ride dovm there with Amanda keep my eye on
her (not audible) so she met these kids and I end up meeting their parents which was
nothing to meet his parents. Well Pam had this thang in her mind I love (not audible) all I
was doing "i'as keeping an eye on my daughter. So this one particular day well it really
several davs. Pam accused me of them of wanting me it's awomanthang of me of
.I .,. c....;; c.....

\-vanting them which was nothing to it. This one certain day it just kept on and kept on
and \vanting to arguer \-vith me about (not audible) mother. I kept tlying to tell Pam quit
:you just making this stuff up. she tried the same thang here in west T'v1emphiswhen ever I
(not audible) she just automatically blov\' it out the wall. You got a girlfiiend over here,
\Yell I didn't haye a girlfriend. I didn't play that. \'-'hen we got o\'-er there and this start
happening this one day I looked at Pam oyer and oyer I kept trying to tell her this is
nothing to this shut it up le:we me alone, I could g9 in another room here she come in the
(lIher room she just nagging on. I don't know I looked at her I said I'm ah slap the dog
out of you if you don't shut this up. \"ell. I what'n happy about saY'ing it but I told her
thaT and she kept on so I'd go in another room and she v::ould chase mein another room
~ay the same stuff. so we sittin on the couch and I say Pam quit r try my best to git her to
quit and she wouldn't do it so 1 just reached over there and back handed her. I know I was
wrong for that but r didn't care you kno\-\' I tliedto git her to quit, this went on for hours
not minutes this \vent on for hours arid T did reach across ways and back handed her light
, . I.e m .. ·./h.. \nL1 \vL,_' i did she po~ ::1t up ~,.;(le tl-:e head a.nd ;;ra~ .. <,' C~,j.' ::ey. a;-d
threw em across the house and grab her car keys and going out the door (not audible) I
grab her mi.TI \-vhich had her keys in it r was gone throw hers over there two childish but
this what we nOlmally, so r grab hers \ve wrestle over her keys and got her with my
elbow along she was mess with me she that's the end of the fight when my elbow hit er.
And she told everybody after that I broke her javi. She called her family and told em I
broke her jaw and I knew \v11at that \vas gone-do. It was gone brang em down here. So r
called the police in Memphis cause there's two recording of me calling the police in
Memphis. One's before after the fight r call em and told me about the fight, what happen
what she done and he told me that we cant send someone outthere wait onbut when they
git there call us back and well send some one out there I said thank you (not audible). So
it took em bout an hour maybe a little longer to her brother his wife her dad and her mom
come knocking on my door ShOltly an hour after that and they come in yelling at me,
cause she's you know I slapped her r don't deny that and I hit her with my elbow r don't
deny that but I didn't beat her up like she told everybody and I didn't break her jaw like
she told everybody. After the fight me and Amanda I felt bad about it that's my wife
sittin there rooking like from over night. Uh so we made her ice packs me and my
daughter given to er (not audible) and then her family showed up, her dad come in yelling
at me, her brother come in looking at me, and I seen a chance where I could git to my
telephone and r grab my telephone and walked out side' called the police again and tell em
you know I got some trouble out her there back there here uh (not audible) send the
police out here. And they said ok. I said well in the mean time I have a gun I'm ah load it
I'm put it on me. So I did, I had a 357 magnum I loaded it with hollow points. Dh put it
.under-.my shirt walked out side had my phones stood by my-truck outside and waited for
the police to git there. uh the dad and his ::;-on come out and he looked at me I was
standing out there by my truck waiting on the P9lice to git there and walked back in the
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the bed of my truck waiting on the police to git there not saying nothing to anybody. You
know he \valks up to the side of my he say's Terry man \vhathappen and then he reach
over and grabs me by the back of my hair and starts pulling me backwards. And I got my
arm on the side of my bed of my pickup I'm just hanging on you know like that the best I
can cause he's a big old boy. And I'm hanging on until I lose my grip and then I don't'
knO\V what happen after that uh I was laying on the. ground I wakeup I'm thanking ifI
\vhat knocked out I remember nothing else until I'm laying flat on the ground. He's got
both his knees on my back and he's got my head twisted like this. And I'm thanking this
is gotta quit I pull my gun out point it up in the air pull the trigger but it so happen hit
him. Ch I didn't point at him to shoot em I just going (not audible) I could ha've yelled it
(lut sure I Just pointed it up in the air and pulled the tligger and knocked him otl of me,
and then the ambulance showed betlJre the police did over there and they came picked
him up they took (not audiblel o\,er there,

I\,1itchell: Ok uh \\'hen \\as the last time that you Pam actually lived together?

Hobbs: probably 05,06 cause she moved she caine back down here might be 04 I'm not
sure (not audible) she come back out \vent to work at (not audible) on Covington Pike
and she lived with me for awhile, And then she moved out and got her an apmiment on
C ..' on hi e u"til d", il")'·ed [; .' to f'!vtt
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Mitchell: Was there any other occasion from when she I guess she moved out vv'as there
any other run in with the police?

Hobbs: Oh yeah several of em.

Mitchell: And then were you alTested dming thattime?

Hobbs: Yeah I thanks to Jo Lynn, Pam's sister.

Mitchell: From last time the two of you lived together you and pam?

Hobbs: No this was at ah after my divorce and I believe it was after my divorce our
divorce, me and Pam had another separation she took offto Blytheville and lcalled her I
said if you're going up there with Johnny and Jo Lynn don't you ever come back to my
house to my house again. So the next day she brangs Jo Lynnto my house. Jo Lynn
brangs in a bag of weed and a bag of white powder and of course she had I don't know
this she had (not audible) they brang the police the Memphis police with em. Ok they
come they git inside I had broke the key off in the key hole cause I didn't wanna em in
my house, cause I knew what these people had done to me in the past I didn't wanna to
come back and do it again. So I broke the key off and then my daughter breaks into the
back door Amanda and I open I seen that she what gone git I open the door and let her in
she goes''()ver-there and opens the other door. And the police is out-there and Pam and Jo
----=L,-ynn is out there. Well, they come in the house-and my daughter I had a half ah joint aint
gone lie bout this I had a half ofj oint in my tray underneath my china cabinet and my
daughter run straight to that and pulls it out give it to the police, Jo Lynn walks to my

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bedroom and placesthat white bag of powder (not audible) marijuana on my dresser
goes back in the front and tells the police he's got drugs in his bedroom on his dresser.
They run back there and find this and arrest me, and uh on my way down there well
matter of fact that's \vhat w~lking in the house I'm hand cuffed they put me in the police
car, Amanda, Pam and Jo Lynn standing on the carport, Pam and Jo Lynn are yelling top
oftheirlungs you killed Steve (not audible) you killed Steve they're saying it so loud and
so many time that police oftlcer \",-hen he gits me down there by the car say's he stops me
he ask me who's Stew: And I tell him a little bit about \vhat happened over here. He said
\:I.'ell I mean I need to git you a\\-ay from these women, I said please do I said that happen
but I did git anested for that and they dropped that charge on me over there I thanJ.;: it
\\'as (not audible) that \\'hite po\\'der I told I said I don't kno\\' nothing bout that you kJ1O\\' .
neither one of these bags are mine. But that one thang \vas mine. They went ahead and
charged for that weed I had \\'hich it C:lme from hers.

\1itchell: well go threw ['rn show you some pictures I thank you can help me \\'ith this.
Well go thre\\' uh. see if you recognize these items ok. Sheet number one I'm gone to
show you here the cigarette box and it look like there were some pat1ial dentures.

Hobbs:: I had one that looks like that'?

Mitchell: Do you still have it?

Hobbs: No, cause .To Lynn and Pam took it and give it to Daemons attorney,

Noles: You smoke Marlbo-ro's

Hobbs: I did at the time.

Mitchell: Vh this is a ah a more blown up picture with the same set.

Hobbs: This was made in Blytheville AR by a dentist up there.

Mitchell: That look like?

Hobbs: That looks like mine yeah.

Mitchell: would you uh do me a favor and this is I mean I know you don't have a (not
audible) you already told that. uh when was the last time you remember seeing this?

Hobbs: I had em in my file cabinet uh I don't know probably I'm just gone guess now,
05/04 some em like that. I don't really remember the date that I last seen that but I do
remember them taking one of my upper partials and doing that...

Mitchell: if you would I've got this marked I've got sheet one, Sheet two just so we can
show for record that we showed you this, Would you sign put your name and days date
on each sheet as we go threw. And like I said today's date is June the 21 st.

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Hobbs: I \vrite on here I looked at this?

Mitchell: sure that's fine \-ve're recordirig so it's showing that you're looking ,at it but yeah
that's fine. That looks like the ones you had the upper partials?

Hobbs: it does.

\litchell: Ok if you'd do the same thangon sheet two andthen\\;e'll go threw and I'm
gonna show you some other items and help us identify em. Alright. start here on sheet
Ihree, Ten-:-'if you \\'ould the one on that label sheeT number three ok. Each iTems is
number 1.~.3'-+ and::' there kni\'es,

Hobbs: There mine,

?vIitchell: Ok Jet's stm1 \,vith number one, \Vhat can vou tell me about knife number one':

Hobbs: rrs just a junkie knife.

Hobbs: Had that so long I can't remember where I got it from. Found that one when I was
running my ice cream route, I found this one laying in the street in Memphis,

Mitchell: Knife numbers three right here this one?

Hobbs: I really don't remember where that one come tl.-om.

Mitchell: Ok what about knife number four?

Hobbs: Not really. Cause a lot of time I would find em on the ground somewhere and just
pick em up and put em in a little box or some em like that.

Mitchell: Knife number five you know anything about it?

Hobbs: Not really but they all they just look like my knives.

Mitchell: Ok like I say that sheet three number yeah ify'all put down that you viewed
those sheet three uh numbers 1,2,3,4, and 5.

Hobbs: and these I guess the ones that Pam told me not long ago they said I could have
back

Mitchell: 1.Ih these are photographs that I'm gone have that was uh I1Jelieve that was
turned over to an attorney that have possession of them right now.

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Hobbs: Yeah you want me to git em back?

Mitchell: Sir?

Hobbs: You v/ant me to git em back?

Mitchell: Do I want you to git em back? Naw, naw I don't need em back cause right nmv
if we need em there's a process that \ve have go threv\'" to git em a legal process "ive have
to go three to git em ok.

\li",chell:\\11o said ;ou could he1\'':: em')

Hobbs: Pam told me thern attomey's said that,

1\1itchell: Ah [have not been told any thing to that effect so far ok. that may change but
so far nay\' that's there locked up safely they (not audible) \,..-hat I've been told so, Let's
move to uh sheet number four and there' s t\VO i tel~1s 1've got mark one and two on this ah .
pI, . '6'~ ,h.':'" '.)li .c'cail tLc;::;c it<=:.:ns':

Hobbs: Um um, T don't know I don't think so. Cause r had I did have ah pocket knife uh
different knives but I don't know cause T had some bigger than that but I never did know
what happen to em. But uh I don't thank I remember those.

Mitchell: Youcton't remember that knife and?

Hobbs: no not at the moment cause if I did I would tell you.

Mitchell: Ok

Hobbs: but that don't look like one of mine.

Mitchell: Dh you don't remember it though.

Hobbs: I don't remember that knife.

Mitchell: If you would still sign something (not audible) showing that you'renot
remembering that you don't remember owning a knife like that.

Hobbs: Them only knives that I had I didn't really take em out and look at em just toss
em in the drawer. It's bout like that,one I found on the streets in Memphis I just took it
home put it in there with the resr-of em what nothing I sit there and treasured.

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Mitchell: It's just something you just picked up on the way? And this is sheet number
five and it's marked one, two, three and four as far as the items. Dh tell me what you
remember about those if anything.

Hobbs: This is mine,.

I'vlitchell: Ok you'i-e pointing at \vhat numbers?

Hobbs: T\"\'o and three.

:-'lltchell: T\\'o and thr;;e and that's a knife and looks like a little sheep for it"'

Hobbs: t'm huh.

~..-litcllell: All right.

Hobbs: Uh one seem like Jo Lynn and her boyti'iend bought that for me, but it looks Eke
one that I had. but Pam might of bought it.

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Hobbs: Could be, could be. I thank that come from Pam's sister.

Mitchell: Ok what about?

Hobbs: that's just ah old junkie knife,

Mitchell: What about number four?

Hobbs: It looks familiar, yeah it looks familiar.

Mitchell: all right the same thing you sign and day uh this will one coming will be the last
sheet that we'll show you, Ok the last one is sheet number six once again marked one,
two, three and four if you look at the items on that tell me if you recognize any ofthose?

Hobbs: Yep.

Mitchell: Start with number one you recognize it?

Hobbs: That's old with (not audible)

Mitchell: \%at about number two? ----

Hobbs: It hnda oflobks familiar.

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Mitchell: Now uh keep in mind that it does look like a knife (not audible) sheet the other
knife on the sheet black front sheet uh with a clip on one side.

Hobbs; I mean this a knife and this the case that this come in.

Mitchell: three is yours.

Hobbs: Three and four ...

\Jitchell: three and If,)Ul" then four is the black case that three came in.

Hobbs: (n()t audible)

\litchell: Ul \\hat was the Ktiives )'l)U had here that you recognize you 01' just for
clarificatioi1 did you buy those knives most of those or did you ...

Hobbs: some of em \,-;ere gifts but most of them some of em I found and some em I
bought just because fliked the way they look. Like this is one of the ones T like the way it
look.

J\·1itchell: N w11ber three on this one?

Hobbs: it is. but I never carried em.

Mitchell: ok.. that was my next question I was gonna ask you you ever callied pocket
lmife on you for any reason·-GF-RoIF \'Vork or for anything?

Hobbs: NO sir.

Mitchell: Let me ask you I don't have any more of these to show you that was the last of
those. Dh let me ask you this Terry do you remember uh Steve ever having a knife atall?

Hobbs: I don't know ifhe got one at the boy scouts or not. And he (not audible) I don't
know if they give em a pocket knife, but his granddaddy may have given him one. Dh
his grand daddy (not audible) it's possible I can't say yes or no though (not audible).

Mitchell: so if he had one you wouldn't have known what it would have looked like or.

Hobbs: Yeah ifI seen it I might would recognize it. but I can't place it (not audible).

Mitchell: Now did you ever keep any of Steve personal possessions after their deaths the
. boys were killed?

Hobbs: well, I aint gonna sayl kept em we kept em in our home up until Pam would take
off and she'd try to take some em. And I still have some pictures of em srue.

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Mitchell: Do you have any personal items of his we're talking about and 8 year old little
boy here, far as you know toys or any personal effects of his?'

Hobbs: (not audible)

Mitchell: did Steve ever mention to you uh or did you ever hear Pam or Steve mention uh
.any problems \vith any older kids or mainly any other boys any other kid that you hadn't'
heard of before uh know uh prior to :rv1ay 5th ,

Hobbs: I hayen't heard any George, Chris and \1ike is bout the only three names I
K..llew. (not audible) Aaron. seem like there ",';as a :}"aron Hudson bo::-: seern like that \\'as
one of his Tjiends,

\'Iitchell: \\'cre they the same age')

Hobbs: Idon 't remember. 1 don't remember hm:\' old Aaron is, but seem like I remember
hearing his back then.

Mitchell: when you and Pam moved to uh to West Memphis did you move to the house
',n ,-.::'>1:' i.LLL:~:, " . ~ [he nrst hOl:':': ~. au \'.TIe at or did:> 011 ;~'.,; , . ;::c,,· ~: en e' ,;t,'?

Hobbs; If I remember light we moved south of uh on south Avalon down in that area
cause it was a house down there I don't remember' the street but that we rented. And then
we moved over there behind Kentucky Chicken on Rhodes if I remember right it's a
house there and then V·le moved past McAuley another house over that way before
McAuley.

Mitchell: We're they all rental houses or. ..

Hobbs: They were.

Mitchell: Ok and the house on McAuley uh South McAuley the last home you live in
here uh was that on was that a rental house?

Hobbs: Don Campbell.

Mitchell: Don Campbell it's his rental house?

Hobbs: (not audible)

Mitchell: Did you ever move anywhere in West Memphis after that living on 1601
McAuley or...

Hobbs: What you mean

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Mitchell: Did y'alllive anyvvhere else in another location in West Memphis other than
after South McAuley?

Hobbs: \Ve moved to Bly1heville..

Mitchell: Ok how long I guess how long after Steve death did y'all move to Blytheville?

Hobbs: Ah month or less.

\1itchell: Ten;.' uh ... you got any questions? Is there anything else you can think of that
\\'{' hadn 'r gone over that \'i'e hadn't asked you. something that you remembered thre\'.- the
yea.rs uh that you think mightbe helpful to us follo\\' up in this investigation':

Hobbs: ] dl~,n't kno\\ \vhat you im'estigating uh so r don't kno'.',: ho\\' to answer that,
\htehel1: WelL all ['m asking is there anything that yell feel might be lih might be
peliinent or have some'\a]ue to this case at all that uh \Ve might 19r\vard to the
prosecuting attomey if necessary uh .. "

I-L, '. _ . kn, v I ~-::en

c\ r·lL'...... ~ and " :::.Jl!t k.c"l\\;[ its "g:::ilDS a: : '.ld.ng. Seen a p'iuure
that uh Daemon Echols sitting on my couch at my house with Chris and Mike and Steve
and j'v1ike and (not audible) have you seen that?

Mitchell: Do 1 knO\v some thing no where did you see that picture?

Hobbs: I thank Gary Gitchell had it. I don~t--k.now how he got it like I said it \vas my
couch I don't knO\:v I don't remember that of course I know \Ne didn't know Daemon
Echols and none of them boys, but I don't know how he got with our couch ai1d that
picture got done. But I've heard about this picture somewhere else.'

Mitchell: Did you know any of the ...

Hobbs: No .

. Mitchell: any of the three that were charged and also convicted of those crimes?

Hobbs: um uh

Mitchell: Have you kept in touch with any of the other parents uh...

Hobbs: Mark Byers

Mitchell: Mark still stay in touch with him? Db I know his-wi-fe is deceased now is that
correct?

Hobbs: (not audible) he's remarried.

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Mitchell: uh he's remarried? What about the Moor's?

Hobbs: \ve lUn across (not audible) up here at this 'IVai-Mart iIi West Memphis a few
times after that and Pam just hates for us to meet em I guess it's to much for her (not.
audible) but atthe same time Pam want (not audible) out of town working (not audible).

\1itchell: You and who?

Hobbs: I thought (not audible)

:-vfitchell: you said that uh just touch back again 01) this picture you \\"ere talking about
you actually sa'." this photograph or did you just hear about it': (110t audible)

Hobbs: I heard about it but I don't remernber ifT seen it. seem like I seen it..

Mitchell: You heard it fl.-om \\'l1om':'

Hobbs: Mark

Mitchell: Mark Byers')

Hobbs: Byers he said someone got this picture of (riot audible) say Gary Gitchell told him
it (not audible) seem like Gary talk to me about that one time.

"'--._.~-. I\1itchell: \vhen did you get a hold of 1\t1ark ByeFs-B0V\l.call we do that ·vlhat' s tIle best \-va)!
to reach him?'

.Hobbs: Cell or home phone,

Mitchell: Ok uh, . ,

Hobbs; You don't have the number?

Mitcheli: What I'm trying to confirm make sure thenjfyou still in touch with him you
may have more updated information than we do.

Hobbs: He's not my local person I call. Uh .

Noles: Where's he living at now?

Hobbs: I hav y his phone number:

Mitchell: If you got one I'll takeit I will,

Hobbs: 901-872-2700 no 2708.

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Mitchell: 2708 ok.

Hobbs: 873 is that what I told you?

Mitchell: Dh you said 872, 873'7

Hobbs: 873.

\fitchelJ: Igotcba 901-3 7 3-:2"'08')

Hlibbs: Coned.

:Vlitchdl: Got it (ik.uh tbere's nothing else you ha':e uh the only other thing J gone do is
take a digital picture again a good picture so \).,:e set \ve attach it to the paper \ovork and
then \\'e Ore done \-ve'll get you out of here. But I do v/ant to tell you how much T
. appreciate ):our time uh courage for coming in and going back threw this \vith us it's a
tough thing to do you kno\-\' at best but uh ...

. ~s; \\dl I QUi '''\/hat .I,.! Lynn is ':p to .. ,bm.:; .. hk,: e\ery sinc.e here k'c:Lcr died and
that was sad thang the way all this is happened, she's constantly reminded Pam that when
Pam was still with me you're still with the that SOB that killed our brother and I didn't
kill her brother they just (not audible)

Mitchell: One or two quick thangs. Uh they were mentioning when we talk to one the
'otherweek about some kind ofa uh some kind ora contractwith Dimension Films. Wbat
is that actually about?

Hobbs: They're making a Hollywood movie they gone come down here and bought our
rights me and Pam's right to make that movie. From what we do here it might not be a
new mOVIe.

Mitchell: What uh you said they bought your rights?

Hobbs: I thank I made a big mistake.

Mitchell: what kind of agreement did you come under as far as the rights.

Hobbs: (not audible)

Mitchell: Well, I mean as far as they offered you so much money I take it. What did y'all
settle on?

Hobbs: 'Twenty five.

Mitchell: Each or. ..

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Hobbs: (not audible)

Mitchell: You each got twelve thousand dollars uh... (not audible)

Hobbs: She didn't break the contract?

Mitchell: I've not seen the contract yet. It \vas mention '.vhen \'i'e talked earlier I'\,'~ not
seen the contact. eh

\"o1es: She \\'as talking about a book that you \\as \'.'liting and you said you started out on
the 5'i' of :'vlay and then going ()n')

Hobbs: ['\e £ot one they \,'anted to look at it I \\"()n't let em. (n01: audible) the
inYestigators~\\'antjng t~ look at it and I \yont let em, r started this thang back Tvlay the S"b
you know I just kept up \vith every thang that happen not every thang but I kept up with a
lots ofthangs threv,- the years"

.\-iitchel1: Ok is it of your handwriting or something you typed on the computer or'?

Hobbs: well I hand written it and I have a writers \ovanting ta put it in a book form tor me,
r told (not audible) I'm gonna put it on the market.
Mitchell: Ok and you have that in your possession right now?

Hobbs·;-Un1·huh,

Mitchell: Dh I don't have any further questions I mean there's nothing else I can think of
at this time, again Ten:y I wanna tell you how much we appreciate you coming in like say
we're just gone to get a digital picture of you to put with this. That only it's not intended
for anybody else ok, and we'll get you out of here like I say I appreciate your time I know
this been tuff I do have a lot of respect for you. You actually coming in to talk with us I
cant tell you how much I appreciate it.

Detective Lt. K. Mitchell/2I5/Det. C. Noles/235/ eac/355

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"CITY OF WEST MEMPHIS

POLICE DEPARTKffiN'T
CRTh1IN}~ INVESTIGATION DIVISION
626 EAST BROADWAY WEST :tv:tEMPHIS, iill.. 72301 '
PHONE (870)732-7529
FA-X (870) 732-7685

07/2512007 '

To: BrentDavis - Prosecuting Attorney

From: Det. Lt. Ken Mitchell #215

Re: Terry Wayne Hobbs

Here are, copies of the infonnation you requested on Terry Hobbs. According to the
records, Terry shot his then Brother-in-Law Jackie Hicks during some type of domestic
disturbance with Pam--HoDD8. This occurred in Memphis, Tennessee on 11/06/t994.
Terry pled guilty to Aggravated Assault on 02/20/1996. It is my understanding through
, our recent interviews with Pam and her sister that Mr. Hicks died within the last year. I
have also included two recent articles from our 'local newspaper on Terry Hobbs in
reference to the 1993 Triple Homicide Case. If you can think of anything else we can do,
"lease J.~t me know.

Lt. Ken Mitchell

Criminal Investigations Supervisor

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\ .f'......

Tests show 'Victims' DNA; no WM3 link

ByLAURAS:MITH

Results of DNA testing of crime scene evidence in the 1993 slayings of three 8-year-old
West Memphis boys showed no connection to the three local teenagers convicted in the
killings, and nearly all the recovered material tested belonged to that of the victims,
according to reports filed Thursday with the Arkansas Supreme Court.

A report filed by Second Judicial District Prosecutor Brent Davis states that the only
material that doesn't belong to the victims - Michael Moore, Christopher Byers and
Stevie Branch - is a hair found on a victim's shoelace that likely belongs to the step-
father of one of the victims.

News ofthe hair evidence·was-fiFst reported in the Arkansas Times by investigative-------

journalist and author of "The Devil's Knot: The True Story of the West Memphis
Three" Mara Leventt, who reported that Terry Hobbs was told a piece ·ofhis hair was in
the "knots that tied up [victim] Michael Moore."

At the time of the murders, Hobbs was married to the mother of Stevie Branch, whose
bound body found was in the 1O-Mile Bayou diversion ditch along with the bodies of
his two friends, also bound;

West Memphis Assistant Police Chief Mike Allen, who was an investigator at the time
ofthe killings, attributed the finding of Hobbs' hair to transfer evidence and said Hobbs
is not a suspect.

"If you test my clothes, you're going to find trace DNA evidence from my wife, my son, .
my black Lab and my brown Lab," Allen said_ "In 1993, Terry Hobbs wasn't a suspect,
and he's not a suspect in 2007."

Allen said police have recently questioned Hobbs'; --.

"Because things sometimes corne up, we have to check and double-check our facts, and
he is not a suspect," AlIen said. "Welre all professionals here, and we plan on doing the
right thing."

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The questioning ofHobbs also goes along with the state's authorization to police
investigators to conduct follow-up interviews with witnesses.

.Daniien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley Jr. were convicted of the murders
in 1994, who were 18, 16 and 17, at the time oftheirarrests.Echols, now 32, was
sentenced to receive the death penalty; Misskelley, now 30, received a life sentence plus
.....,.. '" .40 years; and Baldwin, 32, was sentenced to life without parole..

Attorneys for Echols and prosecutors have agreed to nlrther testing of some items of
evidence.

However, the prosecutors disagreed with the defense attorney's statement that both sides
came to that agreement due to the items' "potential significance to establishing the
identity of the perpetrators of the offense."

In their responding report, prosecutors said they disagree with that characterization.

"The State stands behind its convictions of Echols and his codefendants as the
perpetrators... The state anticipates that it will defend its judgements successfully at any
hearing in circuit court."

Echols' attorney, San Francisco attorney Dennis Riordan, declined comment, and Davis
referred comments to his response.

However, news ofthe results spatkea-fiope among those who have supported further'
investigation into the crime.

"This case has cried out for reexamination from the start. The. attention it's getting now
is important, and I hopeit will be effective," Leventt said. "My hope is that there will·
be sufficient reason for the state of Arkansas to bring this back to court for a proper
review."

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Lieutenant Ken Mitchell
Cnminallnvestigation Division
626 E. Broadway, West Memphis, Arkansas 72301

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To: Shelby County Court Clerks Office From: . Lt. Ken Mitchell

Fax: 901 ~545-4941 Pages: 2 (Including Cover Sheet)

Date: . 07/19/2007

Attn: Pam Jones Re: Terry Wayne Hobbs (R&I 150558)

[ J Urgent [j For Review o Please Comment ~Iease Reply o Please Recycle

.: Comments:

Ms. Jones,

Per our conversation earlier, I am requesting a certified copy of the 1995 Felony Conviction
/ Sentencing on .Mr. Terry Wayne Hobbs. Mr. Hobbs is a White / Male (D08- 05121/1958) (SS
• His Shelby County R&I Number is 150558. PIt:!ase notify me at 901-553-
2458 . ese records are available and I will come by and pick them up•. I thank you in
advance for all your assistance in this matter.

If you have any questions in regards to this Information please contact me at (870)-732:-7529. Fax
Number (870)-732-7685.

Lieutenant Ken Mitchell

West Memphis Police Department - CID

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I, WILLIAM R. KEY~ Clerk of the Criminal Court or the 3 )fh Judicial District at Memphis, do hereby
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copy of INDIC'TM:ENT AND JUDGMENT.

in the ¢$.se of:

STATE OF TEN;\~ESSEE bocket Nu 95-07669
V~.

TERRY HOBBS

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JMS BOOKING DETAILS

No Wants

R&I: 150558 Booking #: 03129190

Name: HOBBS, TERRY
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Booking Date: 10/03120030327:00 A-M Status: BK
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Lieutenant Ken Mitchell

Job Title: For copies of Felony Convictions

. Business Address: 201 Poplar (4th Floor)

Memphis, Tennessee

Business: (901) 545-4972

Business Fax: (901) 545-4941

Contacts - Pam Jones 901-545-4972

Mrs. Williams 901-545-5557

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Case Information

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Name TERRY HOBBS

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\16603913 01. 05/11/1958

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RNI # 990660668 Offense Description l)!SORDERLV CONDUCT

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RNI # 990660665 Offense Description DISORDERLY CONDUCT

TERRY W HOBBS 05/12/1961 W M

RNI # 332326 Offense Description POSS CONT SUB W/I TO MAN/DEL/SELL

TERRY HOBBS 09/09/1980 W M

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03637570 01 TERRY W HOBBS 09/09/1980 W M

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03613087 01 TERRY W HOBBS 05/12/1961 W M

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03132305 01 TERRY HOBBS OS/22/1960 B M

RNI # 329753 Offense Description DOMESTIC ASSAULT-BODILY HARM

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RNI # 150558 Offense Description· POSS OF CONT SUBSTANCE

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General Sessions and Criminal Court Case Information

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General Sessions and Criminal Court Case Information

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MVRDETAILS
Search Results For: 032LKR

~ame: HOBBS,TERRY W

Address: 003750 MACON ROAD :MEMPHIS TN

Vehicle Year: 02

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Tag: 032LKR

Tag Expires: 1107 .

V.I.N.: IFTYRI0U82PB55620

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~Visions S L Master Name Data
Hair
Number Inv Type Name Sex Race Age Height Weight Build Dob Alias Sst!
Color
0412000361ME Complainant Hobbs,Terry M W 49 509 180 n/a 3 OS/21/58 n/a •
12:00:00
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Ci·tv State Zip

3750 Macon Rd Memphis TN 38.122-2201 901-288-0753 n/a 089918391 TN n/a

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Associated Narratives

RMS Case

<> There is no contact phone numbers listed on report. 120304 0833HRS Writer had message in voice mail from comp
stating that his cell number is 314-2435. Writer contacted comp who advised that victim called him last night from
Blythville, AR and stated that her non-custodial mother, Pam Hobbs, drove to Memphis and picked her up and took her
back to Blythville. Camp stated that he was driving to BIythviIIe, AR this evening because the victim wanted to come
home: -Writer advised camp that the report would be closed; and-if-the victim changed her mind and did not want to go-_·
~ that he would have to file a custodial interference report. CARRY AS INDICATED.

Incident

<> On December 01, 2004 at 1826 hours, Officer(s) Jordan, Matthew A EMP# 10336/ Dennison, Jeffery El\1P# 0335
responded to a Runaway Call at 1163 THEODORE and complainant Terry Hobbs advised that his daughter had ran
away the previous night around 0100 hours. Complainant stated that victim had been having a hard time emotionally,
so they were up until midnight talking, which at that time, she took a shower and he went to bed. Complainant thinks
that victim then left out her bedroom window. Victim called complainant this evening and said she was at an unknown
location in Arlington, but also called her mother and said she was at an unknown Iocationin Cordova. Complainant
wants victim transported to Juvenile Court if found. Approved by Lt Taylor #8802

RMS .Case

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Associated Persons

Case Number Inv Type Name

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Associated Narratives

Arrest

<> Officers received a complaint call t 1163 Theodore where the complainant wanted us to stand-by while she got
some personal belongings for her and her daughter (Amanda Hoobs) because she thought that there might be problems
since her husband (defendant) was home. While the complainant and witness were, getting their things officers noticed
a metal canisterlid sticking out from under a table and appeared to have a pack of rolling papers and a hand rolled.
cigarettes on it Officers--pulled the canister lid from under the table and ther.e_was a black pack of rolling papers, a half
Sf"" '1<:ed hand rolled cigarette with a "paper clip" attached to it, Upon further investigation, officers noticed that the
11,1. rolled cigarette had what appeared to be a green, leafy substance which appeared to be consistant with marijuana.
The defendant then advised officers that that was his marijuana and didn't have anymore. The witness advised offiers
that her dad (complainant) keeps maore marijuana in his bedroom in between the matresses and took us to his room,
pulled up the matress and pointed out a clear plastic bag containing more green,leafy substance that also appeared to
be marijuana. The defendant then advised officers that that wasn't his marijuana under his matress but the hand rolled
"joint" was and that he had smoked part of it earlier int he day. Officer J. McDaniel field tested the contents of the clear
bag and thatof the hand rolled cigarette and both test positive for THe. The defendant was placed under arrest and
transported to 201 Poplar. The marijuana in the bag and the joint were tested at 201 Poplar P & E room and tested
positive for THe and weighed 4.2 TGW and was tagged as evidence,

Associated Persons

Inv
Case Number Name S5n Sex Race Height Weight Address Phonel Phone2
Type
0308004214ME Suspect Hobbs,Terry M W 509 180 3750 901-288- nja
Macon Rd 0753 . . _

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CITY Of W,E8T MEMPtlI&

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Date: July 19, 2007

Ms. Toldes:

This letter is to advise your office that West Memphis Police Department is requesting a
copy oLin arrest of Terry Hobbs, DOB 5i21i58, R&I# 150558, booking # 94311003.
Date ofIncident 111'7/94, victim w/m, last name Hicks (Aggravated Assault).

If your office neeas fuliher information in reference to this matter plea:se-contact the
undersigned Detective. .
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Respectfully,

An. Equal Opportunity Emp!.gyer

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Terry Hobbs v. Natalie Maines Pasdar et. al

F or Immediate Release
December 3, 2008

In May, 1993, Steve Branch, Christopher Byers and Michael Moore were murdered in West
Memphis, Arkansas. This tragedy had an enormous impact on the families of these innocent
victims.

The tragedy for one family was compounded when Natalie Maines Pasdar of the Dixie Chicks
falsely accused Terry Hobbs of committing the murders of Steve Branch, Christopher Byers and
Michael Moore. While all Americans have the right of free speech, that right does not extend to
falsely accusing someone of a triple homicide.

Terry Hobbs had absolutely nothing to do with these murders. His one and only association with
this tragedy was that of a devastated father. What Ms. Pasdar falsely describes as new evidence
that Terry Hobbs committed these murders is not the kind of information that fair minded
individuals would rely on in making such a grave accusation.

To that end, on November 25, 2008 a lawsuit was filed on behalf of Terry Hobbs alleging
defamation and other improper conduct on the part of Ms. Pasdar and the Dixie Chicks, who are
also liable for their role in publicizing the false accusations of Ms. Pasdar. The purpose of this
lawsuit is to seek to right the wrong committed by Ms. Pasdar when she falsely accused Terry
Hobbs of murdering his own stepson and 2 other innocent victims.

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Victim's mother believes defendants innocent.
Published 7/19/2007

Reviving an investigation that ended 14 years ago, West Memphis police recently questioned the mother and stepfather of
Stevie Branch, one ofthree 8-year-old boys murdered in 1993. Three teenagers were convicted of the killings.

In a telephone interview on Monday, Stevie's stepfather, Terry Hobbs, confirmed that West Memphis police had videotaped
an interview with him within the last three weeks. Pam Hobbs, Stevie's mother, also said she had been interviewed by police.
The Hobbses are now divorced.

Terry Hobbs, who lives in Bartlett, Tenn., said police requested the interview with him as a result of recent DNA tests on items
found with the bodies. Prior to the police interview, he said, he had been informed of the test results by Ron Lax, a Memphis
private investigator.

Terry Hobbs said, "Ron claims that a piece of my hair is in the knots that tied up [victim] Michael Moore."

"Does that bother me?" Hobbs continued. "No, ma'am, it does not. Why? Because I don't believe a thing he has to say because
he's working for the defense team. And because if my DNA was at the crime scene, I think [Prosecuting Attorney] Brent Davis
would be the one to call me about that, and not Ron Lax."

Attorneys for the convicted men have said no DNA was found that matches their clients.

Terry Hobbs said police asked him "a bunch of questions" about his activities on May 5, 1993 - the day Stevie, Michael and
Christopher Byers, the third victim, disappeared - and the following day, when the boys' bodies were discovered submerged
in a drainage ditch. He declined to answer further questions about what he was asked by police.

Pam Hobbs, who lives in Blytheville, said a lieutenant for the West Memphis Police Department also questioned her about her
family's activities around the time of the slayings. In the last couple of months, she has stated publicly that she now believes
that the men convieted ofthe murders - Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley, Jr. - are not guilty.

"We have stages of grieving that we go through," she said. "I guess I came to forgiveness. I've always wanted to know the truth,
and when I was called by the defense - knowing the DNA was being retested - I guess that was the big eye-opener."

Pam Hobbs said she "chose to believe all those years" that Echols, Baldwin and Misskelley were guilty, despite her realization
during the trials that the prosecutors "didn't have anything" and persistent doubts afterwards that the defendants "were smart
enough or hateful enough to have done it by themselves and clean it up."

The state medical examiner ruled that Stevie and Michael died by drowning and that Christopher, who'd suffered stab wounds
to his groin, died from loss of blood.

Pam Hobbs said that in 2002, at a point'when she and Terry Hobbs were separating, she sent a package containing "14 or 15
knives" owned by her husband to one of the defense lawyers.

Pam Hobbs said that she had done so after discovering among the knives "a little pocket knife" that her father had given to
Stevie.
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She said Stevie "carried it around with him all the time, because it was like part of his granddaddy. He would have had it May
the fifth. He carried it with him from the day my daddy gave it to him until the day he was murdered."

Asked why, five years ago, she had given the knives to a lawyer for the defense, she said it was because she "didn't trust the
prosecution '" because of the evidence that was not presented at the trials."

Terry Hobbs dismissed the knives as having had "nothing to do with anything."

''1' d bought some, and found some and Pam bought me some. I just threw them in a drawer, and that's where they'd been for
years." He added, "Them knives were stolen out of my home and I'm fixing to try to get them back."

Asked whether one of the knives was a pocket knife given to Stevie by his grandfather, Terry Hobbs responded: "I don't know.
It could have been. And it could have been it was in the drawer because we didn't want him to have it. I didn't want a kid of
mine to go around with a pocket knife - not a kid who was 8 years old. Would you?"

Terry Hobbs said, "I raised Stevie from the time he was a year and a half, until he was 8. I tried to be a good daddy."

As for his ex-wife, he said, "Pam's got some problems. This thing has taken a toll on her. It's really hurt her.

"I don't think she really supports the idea they [the convicted men] are innocent. I think she's doing it out of anger. As a
matter of fact, I know it's out of anger. It's being angry at the world and not knowing how to deal with her anger.

"It's kind of sad. And I'm really sorry that people think she supports thattheory."

Pam Hobbs acknowledges that she has "held anger toward Terry," in part because of his actions on the night Stevie
disappeared.

Terry usually got off work by 4 p.m., she said, in time to watch Stevie and their daughter Amanda, while Pam went to her job
at a restaurant. On the day of the murders, Stevie, who had gone riding bikes with Michael, was supposed to be home at 4:30.
He had not returned by 4:45, when Pam left for her job.

She said she assumed that he was just late, and that it was not until 9 p.m., when Terry drove to the restaurant with Amanda
to pick her up, that she realized Stevie was not in the car.

"Terry told me he really thought he was going to find him and he didn't want to burden me at work," she said. " But I held.
anger toward Terry over that - that he didn't tell me Stevie was missing."

Another element of her anger, Pam Hobbs said, relates to her brother, whom Terry Hobbs shot in the abdomen during an
altercation 10 years ago. That brother died last year.

Terry Hobbs dismisses the episode. "The truth is," he said, "when a man is trying to kill you, you have a right under the United
States Constitution to defend and protect yourself."

Nevertheless, he acknowledged that he was charged with aggravated assault, fined and placed on probation.

"When asked if she now considers her ex-husband a suspect in the murders, Pam Hobbs answered, "Yeah. And I don't know if
it's because of the anger I still hold toward him for not telling me when Stevie was missing, and from some of his other actions
or not. But I haven't been able to shake that feeling."

For his part, Terry Hobbs said he's not worried and that he has nothing to hide. With regard to the retested DNA, he said, "I've
been told that nothing that's going on right now is going to change a thing."

Asked who'd given him that assurance, he replied, "Brent Davis," the prosecuting attorney.

Davis would not comment on what Terry Hobbs said about either the reported DNA or the chance that new findings would
change the case. When asked who ordered the renewed questioning by West Memphis police, he explained, "I can't comment
on anything, one way or another, as it's still in appeals and litigation."
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Thursday, July 19, 2007

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Terry Hobbs said Thursday that West Memphis Police detectives interviewed him three weeks ago,
asking for his whereabouts on the night of the 1993 murders.

The interview stems from recent court-ordered DNA tests linking a hair found at the crime scene to
Hobbs.

"I have nothing to hide," Hobbs, 49, told The Commercial Appeal. "I still didn't have nothing to do
with them boys dying."

West Memphis Asst. Police Chief Mike Allen confirmed that detectives interviewed Hobbs at a
prosecutor's request but said authorities don't consider him a suspect in the murders of his stepson,
Stevie Branch, and friends Christopher Byers and Michael Moore.

"Terry Hobbs was not a suspect in 1993 nor is he a suspect in 2007," Allen said. A hair believed to
have come from Hobbs was found at the crime scene, Allen confirmed, but said he thinks the hair
got there through normal transference among family members.

"It's nothing earth-shattering," Allen said.

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Authorities said at the time of the trials that key physical evidence such as fingerprints or blood likely
was washed away by water in which the boys' bodies were dumped.

Misskelley has since recanted his confession, and claims of innocence by him and his co-defendants
have found wide support. Following two films broadcast by HBO, an Internet Web site is devoted to
freeing "The West Memphis Three," and popular musical bands and Hollywood actors have raised

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money to help finance appeals.

The development involving Hobbs came as a new twist in a case with many ups and downs. In
Echols' 1994 trial defense lawyers pointed a finger at another stepfather, John Mark Byers, after he
gave a bloody knife to a film crew. Byers has long maintained his innocence.

Hobbs said he believes the DNA results are the work of "crooked defense attorneys ... trying to get
their killer SOBs out of jail."

"It ain't gonna work," said Hobbs, now a salesman at a North Memphis building supply company. He
said a private detective working for defense lawyers told him one of his hairs was found on a
shoelace used to tie up one of the murdered boys.

"That's understandable," said Hobbs. "All three of them boys used to come play at my house."

Papers filed by Riordan say defense lawyers and prosecutors have agreed to do more extensive
testing on some items in evidence to determine "their potential significance to establishing the
identity of the perpetrator(s) of the offenses."

That includes testing knives once owned by Hobbs, said a source close to the probe.

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DNA Status Report Released ill West Menlphis Three Case

Reported by: S:vdllI!Y Han KARK -I News
Thursday, Jut /9, 2007 (ij)05:28pm

The men convicted as teens, of killing three young boys hope new DNA evidence is enough to set them
free.
You'll recall, Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley were convicted 14 years ago, in
the West Memphis Three case. .
The report submitted to the supreme court is about recently conducted DNA testing.
The report shows none of DNA at the murder scene connects Echols, Baldwin or Misskelley to the
murders of those three young boys 14 years ago.
More than a decade after three young West Memphis boys, Stevie Branch, Christopher Byers, and
Michael Moore were found dead in a drainage ditch. New DNA evidence could link another suspect to
the crime scene.
And many; hope the newly tested DNA will lead to a new hearing for Echols, Baldwin, and
Misskelley, commonly known as the West Memphis Three.
In May, forensic scientists and attorney's involved in this high profile case met in Little Rock to look
at evidence.
Wednesday, the defense filed a status report with the Arkansas Supreme Court discussing the DNA
evidence.
The report reads, "...none of the genetic material recovered at the scene of the crimes was attributable
to Mr. Echols, Mr. Echols's co-defendant, Jason Baldwin, or defendant Jessie Misskelley."
While Damien Echols' attorney is not ready to comment on the new developments he admits he and
the other defense attorneys are in discussions with prosecuting attorney, Brent Davis, on "...how best to
determine the significance of the laboratory's results... in the initial round of testing."
Other news reports say DNA from Terry Hobbs, Stevie Branch's step-father, was discovered in a rope
used to tie up the young boys.
Reporter: "Did you murder the little boys?"
"I'd have to laugh at that and say there's something wrong with someone who would think that," Terry
Hobbs said.
"It's sad to see that there are some people out here trying to get some killers out of prison that deserve
to be hung by a rope," Hobbs added.
It's the same story a local author, who wrote about the West Memphis Three, heard from Mr. Hobbs
himself.
"I had heard rumors, but it was only when I called Mr. Hobbs that I heard the specifics. That his DNA
had been found on one of the knots on one of the boys," explains Mara L(?veritt.
KARK 4 News spoke with prosecuting attorney, Brent Davis, this morning about the recent
developments.
He says he wasn't ready to comment on the issue, but he did release the state's response to the status
report.
"The State agrees that DNA testing results have not disclosed genetic material recovered from the
crime scene that is attributable to Echols and his codependents. To date, nearly all the genetic material
recovered from the crime scene was attributable to the victims. It is the State's understanding that the

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only material not so attributable is that from a partial hair recovered from the the ligatures (victim's
shoelaces) that bound a victim and that preliminary testing results may attribute that material to once
victim's step-parent."
The reply continues, " The State agrees that counsel for the parties have entered into discussions
concerning the evidentiary significance of the testing results, leading to an agreement subject some
evidentiary items to more testing. Although the State does not fault him for it, the State would not agree
with Echols's characterization of that testing as critical "in light of (its) potential significance to
establishing the identity of the perpetrator(s) of the offenses." Rather, the State stands behind its
convictions of Echols and his co-defendants as the perpetrators.
Nevertheless, anticipating that Echols and/or his co-defendants will press claims for relief founded on
the DNA testing, the State has authorized police investigators to conduct follow-up witness interviews.
The State anticipates that will defend its judgements successfully at any hearing in circuit court."

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Reported by Janice Broach

Court documents reveal new details in the case of the "West Memphis 3"
Updated: July 20, 2007 08:55 AM eDT

A jury convicted the West Memphis 3 nearly 14 years ago of the murders of three eight-year-old
boys: Michael Moorer Stevie Branch and Christopher Byers.

Now r a high powered defense team is trying to prove Damien Echols r Jason Baldwin and Jessie
Misskelley didn't do it.

New DNA testing by the defense shows that none of the genetic material recovered from the
murder scene links Echols r Baldwin r or Misskelley to the scene. Instead r defense attorneys saYr
the tests found DNA from Terry Hobbs r the stepfather of one of the murdered boys.

ThursdaYr Hobbs told Action News 5 he didn't do it. "I'd have to laugh at that and say there's
something wrong with someone who would think that/, he said.

Hobbs claimed a private investigator from the defense team told him one of his hairs was
discovered in a knot in one of the shoe laces used to tie up the three eight-year-olds.

"If Michael Moore or Christopher Byers had a piece of my hair on shoes strings r these little boys
came to my home and played with our little boy pretty regularlYr" Hobbs said.

The DNA results also revealed, according to court documents r that most of the DNA at the crime
scene came from the victims r but some of it cannot be connected to the victims or the
defendants. .

"I don't know what to think about it/, Hobbs said. "It's their job to do what they do."

Hobbs r now divorced from Stevie Branch'sr mother said he's not worried r because he knows he
has done nothing wrong.

Prosecutor Brent Davis would not comment about the DNA r but did file a report acknowledging
that DNA from the West Memphis 3 was not discovered at the crime scene. Davis also
acknowledged there was a hair discovered in the knot in the shoelace.

Davis said he believes the West Memphis 3 are guiltYr but he has agreed to allow the defense to
do more DNA testing.

ClLc;k he.I~ to email Janice Broach.

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Hobbs: This isn't how things should have been

By LAURA SMITH
[email protected]
Terry Hobbs, the stepfather of one of three West Memphis boys brutally slain in 1993,
said he's gotten by during the 14 years since the murders by going to church and
spending a lot his time on his knees in prayer.

"That, and being raised in a preacher's home," he said. "My parents taught me the Bible;
there's a whole lot of things in there, if you'll look at them, they'll help get you by and
get you through."

At the time of the murders, Hobbs Was married to Pam Hobbs, the mother

of 8-year-old Stevie Branch who was killed with his buddies Christopher Byers and
Michael Moore.

The murders changed the course of the lives of the boys' families.

He and Pam, who's from the Blytheville area, were together for 17 years before they·
divorced in 2003.

"I had a restaurant up there; that's where we met," he said. "And we had a dream that we
would move to the big city, work, save some money and go home and retire. It just
didn't happen like that for us."

John Mark Byers was married to Christopher Byers' mom, Melissa Byers, at the time of
the killings. A few years later, the couple moved to Cherokee Village, where Melissa
Byers died in 1996. John Mark Byers has reportedly moved to Millington, Tenn. He
declined comment for this

article, and accurate details as to Todd and Dana Moore's whereabouts were nil.

But the news of the results of DNA testing on crime scene evidence has brought local
and national attention back to the victims' families, to the three men in prison for the
murders - Damien Echols, Jessie Miskelley Jr. and Jason Baldwin - and West Memphis
itself.

The results found that no genetic material recovered at the crime scene belonged to
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Echols, Miskelley or Baldwin, and, with the exception of one hair, all of DNA recovered
at the scene that was tested belonged to the victims.

The hair was reportedly Hobbs', and police attributed his hair to secondary transfer.

Hobbs said he was recently questioned by police, who have put any speculation of
Hobbs' involvement to an end, with Assistant Police Chief Mike Allen noting that
Hobbs wasn't a suspect 14 years ago, and he isn't now. In the state's response to a report
on the results, Prosecutor Brent Davis said the state stands behind the convictions.

"I went and talked to the police in West Memphis for a follow-up," Hobbs said. "I've
always been willing to cooperate, so I went over and done that."

He recalled the day Stevie went missing.

"I worked that day like I've worked everyday of my life," he said. "I got home about 3
or 3:30, and Stevie had gone off riding his bicycle, playing with Michael Moore."

Stevie was supposed to be home at 4:30, and when he wasn't home Hobbs became
concerned. Hobbs picked Pam up at work at Catfish Island at 9 p.m.

"Her dad and mom came down; she went with them to look," he said. "I went with a
friend. At different times we'd go to the police department. We spent all night driving
around."

The bodies of the boys were found a day later, and police arrested Echols, Miskelley and
Baldwin a month after the murders. They were convicted of the murders in 1994.

Hobbs said he believes in their guilt.

"I'm more than convinced because [the police are] more than convinced," Hobbs said.
"Mike Allen's a good man, and I believe what I know, and I only know what they tell
me.

"I think it's just a sad, desperate attempt for the defense to be doing what they're doing."

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, a

coveted political endorsement from an unlikely source,
why televangelist Pat Robertson, the man who blamed
9/l1 on gays and abortionists, is endorsing pro- choice
Republican Rudy Giuliani. Will his backing actually
translate into votes? Just ahead, the battle over Christian
conservatives.
Plus, a stunning revelation from the polygamist leader
Warren Jeffs. Thousands consider him a prophet. Tonight, they will hear them say he's no prophet. And you will
find out why he tried to -- or what he tried to do to himself while locked behind bars.

Also ahead tonight, O.J. Simpson preparing for another day in court. We talked with the prosecution's star
witness and investigated the heavy baggage he brings to the trial.

All of that in the hour ahead, but we bring the endorsement that has produced the latest pair of strange
bedfellows, Pat Robertson and Rudy Giuliani, an unlikely couple, to say the least. One is the founder of the
Christian Coalition, who literally put the religious right on the political map. The other is a pro-choice
presidential front-runner who, in the past, has supported equal rights for gay Americans and is on his third
marriage.

The common ground they have managed to find says a lot about where the race for the Republican nomination
may be heading.

More on that right now from CNN's John King.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

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JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Two men with a personal bond, and
now a surprising political alliance.

ROBERTSON: Rudy Giuliani is without question an acceptable candidate.

KING: It is a striking statement from a legendary and controversial religious broadcaster who calls abortion evil
and homosexuality an abomination. But Robertson says he is convinced Giuliani would appoint conservative
judges and also convinced there is a bigger test for the next president. ROBERTSON: The overriding issue
before the American people is the defense of our population from the bloodlust of Islamic terrorists.

KING: Giuliani backed taxpayer-funded abortions as mayor and also signed a sweeping civil unions policy. So,
Robertson's blessing is a boost for a candidate whose biggest weakness is the Christian right.

RUDOLPH GIULIANI (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I hope it sends the message that we have the same
goals, all of us in the Republican Party.

KING: In Iowa, more evidence of the fierce competition. John McCain welcomed the endorsement of anti-
abortion Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, who dropped out of the Republican contest three weeks ago.

SEN. SAM BROWNBACK (R-KS), FORMER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm here today
to endorse the best pro-life candidate to beat Hillary Clinton.

KING: White Evangelicals are critical in two of the early nominating contests -- Iowa and South Carolina -- but
have yet to coalesce around one candidate.

KING: Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney's appeals include this stop at a South Carolina Christian
adoption agency.

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In the Book of Psalms, what is it, 126th?

KING: Later, Romney predicted most evangelical voters won't follow Robertson's advice.

ROMNEY: I don't think the Republican Party will choose a pro- choice, pro-gay-civil-union candidate to lead
our party.

KING: Robertson founded the Christian Coalition from the ashes of his 1988 presidential campaign bid. And it

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was a powerhouse in Republican politics in the 1990s.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROBERTSON: The coalition is here for the long haul.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: But others have eclipsed Robertson's political clout in recent years, some going as far as warning of a
possible third-party effort if Giuliani wins the Republican nomination.

TONY PERKINS, PRESIDENT, FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL: To the degree that the party moves away
from those principled issues, social conservatives, evangelicals will move away from the party.

KING: So, some saw this as a risky effort to reclaim the spotlight by making a different calculation, that Giuliani
is electable and better than the alternative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Same-sex marriage issues, abortion issues are being decided in the courts. So, what's
most important is that Hillary Clinton is not picking our judges or Barack Obama is not picking our judges.

GIULIANI: I am very, very pleased to have Pat Robertson's endorsement.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

KING: In South Carolina, hours later, Giuliani saw only an upside.

(on camera): But with the benefits also could come some baggage. Asked here about one of many controversial
Robertson remarks in recent years, that 9/11 was caused by God's wrath over abortion and pornography. Giuliani
said, Robertson had long ago explained what he meant and that all leaders from time to time say things they later
regret. .

John King, CNN, Columbia, South Carolina.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Well, as John mentioned, Robertson's endorsement does not come without controversy. He can be a
lightning rod, to say the least. Here's the "Raw Data," some of his more controversial comments.

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In a 1992 fund-raising letter, Robertson said that feminists encourage women to kill their children and practice
witchcraft. Last year, he called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. And he also
suggested that Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine restoration for Israel's withdrawal of Gaza, which Robertson
opposed. He later apologized.

The former Israeli prime minister is still hospitalized in a coma, by the way.

Pat Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani has a lot of people talking today, including our political roundtable,
CNN senior political analyst Gloria Borger, Bill Bennett, CNN contributor and author of "America: The Last
Best Hope," and CNN contributor Roland Martin, the author of "Listening to the Spirit Within."

We talked earlier today.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Bill, let's start with you.

Were you surprised, Pat Robertson endorsing Rudy Giuliani?

BILL BENNETT, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I was a little. I was a little. It's a very big endorsement for Rudy
Giuliani. As people have said in the last few years, you never know what Pat Robertson is going to say or going
to do, but this was a surprise. And this is a big -- big help to Giuliani.

COOPER: Big because Robertson still has that big a following?

BENNETT: Yes. People have suggested over the last couple years that he's just kind of a crank. He's...

COOPER: Right. They say he's not as important.

BENNETT: But he's got a TV show that has 800,000 viewers a day, which, I think, stacks up pretty well with a
lot of shows. There are a lot of people who listen to him. And he's a bona fide TV personality of the conservative
Christian persuasion who has done an awful10t of work, whether people are happy with the things he said in the
last few years or not, long track record of working in these vineyards. It's very good for Giuliani.

COOPER: Gloria, were you surprised by it?

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GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: I wasn't totally surprised, only because rumor was
out that Giuliani had really been courting Pat Robertson, that he had appeared at Pat Robertson's university, that
they are united in their fight against terror.

COOPER: But, I mean, Mitt Romney has also been really courting him.

BORGER: Yes, he really -- he really had.

And I think -- you know, in a way, Anderson, this might be more about Pat Robertson than it is about Giuliani.

COOPER: How so?

BORGER: Maybe Robertson thought -- well, maybe he thinks he wants to go along for a ride with the winner.
Maybe he wants to be the preacher to a president. Maybe this is about Pat Robertson's own survival more than it
is for Giuliani's candidacy in the long term.

COOPER: What, showing that he's still relevant?

BORGER: Yes, exactly, showing that he's still relevant. He will be out there. Now, when he speaks, people are
going to listen.

And I think, in the end, Giuliani may end up having to apologize for a lot of things that Pat Robertson ends up
saying.

COOPER: And, essentially, I mean, Roland, you have Robertson saying that the most important issue, above all,
anything else, above social issues, is -- is Islamic terror.

ROLAND MARTIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: And that's why I'm not surprised.
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Why I interviewed Reverend Jerry Falwell on the CNN special "What Would Jesus Really Do?" back in April,
he said then -- and I said, is there a litmus test? Reverend Falwell said: I would rather have someone who can
fight national security than someone who is a Sunday school teacher.

That signaled right then that that was going to be an issue there. And, so, I think what this also does, it also puts
evangelicals on the spot, because for years they have been saying there's nothing more important than abortion
and homosexuality.

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And so now all of a sudden, you have a candidate who is pro-gay marriage, who is pro-choice. And, all of a
sudden, evangelicals will say, wait a minute. What's really more important, party or principle? Is it God or
Giuliani? That's what is going to happen here. And they are going to have to answer to that. All of these
comments they have made over the years about this being most important, no chance at all, forget everything
else, abortion, gay marriage, now they have to deal with that. And their own words are going to come back to
haunt them.

COOPER: I do want to talk about the Democrats a little bit, because Bill Clinton, you have him weighing in on
his wife's performance in the debate and going after those who, you know, dare to criticize or -- or question
Hillary Clinton.

I want to play what former President Clinton said.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We would listen to people make snide
comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff, when they made dishonest claims about the things
that he said that he had done in his life, when that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry.

Why am I saying this? Because I had the feeling, at the end of that last debate, we were about to get into cutesy
land again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Does it make her, though, look weaker, that Bill Clinton has to be the one stepping in to do this? Or is
that just the -- the traditional-- is he playing the role that the vice president usually plays?

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BENNETT: She needs to be very car.eful about -- about that.

But she's -- she's pretty good on it, it seems to me, Anderson. She says things like, well, if he were here, you
know, he could -- he could say his own piece. For him to do it, I think -- I think is fine.

But what they have to, I think, be careful of is this piling-on thing, the complaining about the piling on, on the
guys. The biggest trouble I think she has got is not any of this. I think the biggest trouble she's got is this
immigration business. I think coming out and supporting Governor Spitzer has bought her a whole lot of trouble.
MARTIN: Anderson, I say, thank God. Four months ago, I said Democrats, why do you keep giving her a pass in
the debates, allowing her to take credit for all of Bill Clinton's, you know, great success stories, but then slide on

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some of the failures?

At some point, they had to say, wait a minute, Bill Clinton is no longer on the Democratic side. He's on her side.
And, so, we are fighting him and her. And, so, you need to figure out, wait a minute, how can I take some of the
failures and then sort of amplify that?

And, so, the criticism is on the money. But this notion that, all of the sudden, it's a Swift Boat deal, it's ridiculous,
just like Geraldine Ferraro's comments on Monday all of a sudden injecting the race card, saying, well, they
would never attack Barack Obama like this. It's OK to be sexist in America, but not to be racist.

That is ridiculous. She's running for president. She should be questioned, just like everybody else is.

COOPER: Gloria, doesn't it also raise the issue of this two-for- one issue of, are you -- you know, are you getting
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton? Are they -- I mean, what exactly is -- how are they going to rule?

(LAUGHTER)

COOPER: Is this really some sort of partnership?

BORGER: Well, you know, I think it does raise the issue.

And I think, in the Democratic primary contest, it's a good thing to get two for one -- in a general election, not so
much. So, I think, right now, when you heard Bill Clinton complaining about the cutesy stuff and getting swift-
boated and all the rest, he was talking to the Democratic primary audience, the people who love him.

And there are two roads to take in a campaign. You know, you take the high road or you take the low road. The
candidate doesn't take the low road. Her surrogates will take the low road. And Bill Clinton is the one who will
feel free to be out there, attacking on ,behalf of his wife, particularly during this primary season.

COOPER: We are going to leave it there.

Gloria Borger, Bill Bennett, Roland Martin, thanks for being on.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Well, Christian conservatives are not the only hearts and minds the candidates are going to be trying
to win. In the last presidential election, roughly one in four voters who turned out on Election Day were

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independents. And they split their votes almost evenly between John Kerry and George Bush.

They are also the subject of a new book by CNN's Lou Dobbs. "Independents Day: Awakening the American
Spirit," it's called. I talked to Lou earlier about why he thinks independents have an even more important role to
play this year.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: By registering as independent, is that to send a message to these parties?

LOU DOBBS, HOST, "LOU DOBBS TONIGHT": Absolutely, to say to...

(CROSSTALK)

DOBBS: Here's the message to the Republican and Democratic national committees: Go to hell. You have
screwed this system up. You're nothing more than patsies to corporate America and multinationals. And you no
longer hold American citizens in regard, whether the issue is border security, illegal immigration, public
education, free trade, public investment. My God, the list goes on.

And then you have got these people lining up to say they want to be president of the United States? How dare
they?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Well, now to a stunning admission by Warren Jeffs, the polygamist leader who is awaiting sentencing
this month in Utah.

He was convicted this fall of being an accomplice to rape. You probably remember that. Now the judge has
unsealed sensitive court documents, including a videotape that shows Jeffs as we have never seen him before.

Now, keep in mind, Jeffs has always told his sect that God speaks directly through him, and they have always
believed him.

Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To as many as 10,000 followers, this
man, Warren Jeffs, is the undisputed prophet, his word sacred, even when ajury convicted the polygamist leader
of being an accomplice to rape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is a perfect preacher man. He's a man of God. And we will always love him.
And once a prophet, always a prophet.

TUCHMAN: But now a new image of the powerful man, like his followers have never seen before.

WARREN JEFFS, CONVICTED FELON: I ask for everyone's forgiveness.

TUCHMAN: This is video :from ajail taping system. It recorded Jeffs and his brother, Nephi. Jeffs was
depressed, and, as it turns out, suicidal. W. JEFFS: Farewell, all of you.

TUCHMAN: Three days later, the head ofthe largest polygamist sect in North America attempted to hang
himself.

An unsea:Ied psychological report indicates that, in the days following the suicide attempt, he threw himself
against jail cell walls and banged his head against a wall.

W. JEFFS: I have been the most wicked man.

TUCHMAN: Jeffs' followers make major life decisions based on what he tells him. If they didn't believe
unconditionally in him to be their prophet, it would cause huge upheaval. That's why what about you're about to
see and hear is so significant.

W. JEFFS: I'm not the prophet. I never was the prophet.

TUCHMAN: Prosecutors wanted to use this dramatic jail video during Jeffs' trial. The judge would not allow it.

But after requests by the news media, it has now been released. It might be even more difficult for the faithful
hear this. Other court documents indicate, in a recorded phone call, Jeffs cryptically said, "I was covered with
immorality with a sister and a daughter when I was younger."

Again, Warren Jeffs with his brother:

NEPHI JEFFS, BROTHER OF WARREN JEFFS: You're perfect in every way.

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TUCHMAN: In the Utah-Arizona border community where Jeffs' FLDS Church is headquartered, most
followers do not deal with the outside world. So, do they know about the suicide attempt?

(on camera): Can Ijust ask -- Ijust want to ask you. We learned yesterday that Warren Jeffs tried to kill himself.
Do you have any comment?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I'm not (INAUDIBLE)

TUCHMAN (voice-over): This follower was more willing to talk, but not with a microphone. She told me
Warren Jeffs was perfect and there is no way he wanted to kill himself. Those are all lies, she said.

(on camera): Warren Jeffs' attorney say he was in bad medical shape when he made the prophet comments, and
retracted them a month later.

But it's reasonable for others to come to the conclusion that maybe it was a dose of honesty from a man who
perhaps had some remorse. (voice-over): This couple also doesn't believe that Warren Jeffs has said these things.

(on camera): Ifhe stays behind bars and doesn't get out for a long time, will you still consider him your prophet?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will always consider him a prophet.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): Jeffs ended his visit with his brother by saying this.

W. JEFFS: Farewell.

N. JEFFS: We love you. We love you. We love you.

TUCHMAN: Ifhis brother thought he was on the verge of a suicide attempt, authorities say they were never told.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Quite a family. Gary joins us now outside the courthouse in Saint George.

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What is next for Warren Jeffs?

TUCHMAN: Anderson, Warren Jeffs is coming to this courthouse a week from Tuesday, where he will be
sentenced on his two convictions, faces the possibility of five years to life on each count.

But, even ifhe gets five years, the state of Arizona will still try him on similar charges. So, Warren Jeffs, whether
he's a prophet or not, will likely be in jail for a very long time.

COOPER: Fascinating.

Just ahead, we are going to hear from one of Warren Jeffs' former followers who managed to escape from the
sect in the middle of the night, taking her eight kids with her. What does she think about these new revelations?

Find out next on 360.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: The polygamist leader Warren Jeffs is awaiting sentencing in Utah later this month.

Before the break, we told you about the newly unsealed court documents, including a videotape in which Jeffs
admits he's not a prophet after all. It is a stunning admission.

Earlier, I talked with John Llewellyn, a former polygamist who was not a member of Jeffs' sect, but has written
about the lifestyle in "Polygamy's Rape of Rachael Strong." And Carolyn Jessop, who managed to break free
from Jeffs' sect three years ago and describes her terrifying experience in the book "Escape." (BEGIN
VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: So, John, were you surprised to hear that -- that Warren Jeffs tried to kill himself?

JOHN LLEWELLYN, AUTHOR, "POLYGAMY RAPE OF RACHAEL STRONG": No, it wasn't any surprise
at all, because here's a man that has been born and raised under the umbrella of the FLDS, somewhat secret
society.

And when he was arrested, I believe it was probably the first time that he really was confronted with reality and
the real world, what it was like. So, it had to be a very traumatic situation for him while he was incarcerated,
away from all the support and the -- the literature that he had to -- to help him along. So, no, it was no surprise.

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COOPER: Carolyn, the fact that he denied being the prophet, and then sort of later recanted that, what do you
make ofthat?

CAROLYN JESSOP, FORMER MEMBER, FUNDAMENTALIST CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF

LATTER DAY SAINTS: Oh, I wasn't surprised about that at alL I think...

COOPER: Really?

JESSOP: Well, I think that him denying that he was a prophet was, in his own way, trying to get out of going to
jail. I think he felt like the authorities were after him because he was the leader ofthis cult, and, ifhe denied that
he was the prophet, then they would let him go.

COOPER: But you don't think -- you think, in his mind, he always -- that he truly believes he's a prophet?

JESSOP: No, I think, in his mind, he knows full well he's not a prophet. Ijust think he has something going that's
working well for him, and he's taking advantage of it.

COOPER: John, do you agree with that?

LLEWELLYN: He knows the difference between right and wrong, you bet.

And I -- what he does is, he indulges himself into the character, so that he can sound believable before his people.
But, down deep, he knows that he is not a prophet and he's not received the revelation.

COOPER: Carolyn, he also confessed to -- to immorality with a sister and a daughter.

JESSOP: Yes, he did. And there's actually been reports around about the sister he hurt. So, there were many of us
who were already somewhat aware trat he had injured one of his sisters.

Nobody was aware of the daughter, though. That came out ofthe blue. However, he's -- there's a lot of people
who claim they have been hurt by him sexually. So, that was not a surprise, that he would confess to some of..

COOPER: And, I guess, John, in a community like this, you know, with so many siblings, so many people in the
families, I guess it's not that big a surprise?

LLEWELLYN: No, it isn't, you know, and I have studied just about all of the groups. And every single one of
them have these horrible stories coming out of pedophilia, molesting of children.

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And all of these kids, a lot of them are put together with very little supervision. And the boys have that
testosterone running through their bodies. The white chromosome is as active in them as it is anybody else. And
these things are bound to happen.

COOPER: It's fascinating, though, when, even now, we have had, you know, people from CNN talking to folks
in the community, the few who would talk to us. And they say simply they don't believe Jeffs ever said these
things.

LLEWELLYN: Well, they are going to believe what they want to hear.

And it's been my experience in other lawsuit~ against the polygamist subcultures, you know, they believe in the
spirit. And they believe that the spirit speaks the truth, even when it conflicts with facts. So, they are -- you
know, there's a symbiotic relationship between the prophet and the group. They are dependent upon each other.

And the group, without the prophet, is like a ship without a rudder. They need each other. So, they are going to
manufacture and believe whatever they want to keep that prophet as a prophet.

COOPER: It's fascinating, that this goes on hiding in plain sight in the United States of America.

John Llewellyn, we appreciate your expertise.

LLEWELLYN: Thank you.

COOPER: And, Carolyn Jessop, it's always good to talk to you.

JESSOP: Thank you.

LLEWELLYN: Thank you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: In Arkansas tonight, new developments in a case that had captivated the country more than a <:iecade
ago. It was 1993. Three boys were murdered in the woods. Three teens were convicted of the unspeakable crime.

Now, right now, two of those, well, former teens are in prison for life. One is on death row. The question is, are
they actually innocent? eNN's David Mattingly reports on some shocking new developments.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): What happened in these woods shook even
hardened cops. It was a crime so terrible, families from miles around lived in fear. And, at the time juries had no
doubt, three West Memphis, Arkansas, teenagers were guilty in the satanic ritual murders of three 8-year-old
boys.

But, a decade-and-a-half later, many now believe it was a case ofjustice gone bad.

(on camera): The police, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, all of them got it wrong?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In our opinion, yes.

MATTINGLY; Reexamining old evidence and using DNA testing not available at the time of the murders,
defense attorneys say the belief in a satanic ritual of sexual assault and mutilation was a fantasy, a satanic panic
that they say sent three innocent teenagers to prison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we are saying is that there's no credible evidence that links any of these
defendants to the crime.

MATTINGLY: The bodies of Christopher Byers, Michael Moore and Steven Branch were discovered bound,
naked and submerged in a muddy ditch.

In a petition filed in federal court, defense attorneys say their experts today find no evidence of sexual assault and
no evidence of a satanic cult.

And the evidence that horrified jurie~, signs of ritualistic torture and mutilation, may have actually come from
animals attacking the bodies after the boys were killed.

(on camera): When we asked for a comment about the old case, Arkansas prosecutors turned us down. But, in an
earlier statement, a spokesman for the state attorney general said that Arkansas will look at the new findings
objectively. But they stand behind the old convictions and do not believe that the courts will change anything.

(voice-over): The oldest defendant at the time, 18-year-old Damien Echols, was sent to death row. Sixteen-year-
old Jason Baldwin and 17-year-old Jessie Misskelley got life in prison.

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RON LAX, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: They were victims of poor representation, poor resources, and a
community that was already on track to convict somebody.

MATTINGLY: I returned to the scene of the crime with Ron Lax, a private investigator for the defense in 1993.
Back then, he made this video ofthe woods where the three boys went to play, never to be seen alive again.
Today, defense attorneys say they can find no DNA traces on evidence taken from those woods to show the
convicted teenagers were ever there at all.

(on camera): Is this a crime that three teenagers could pull offand leave no trace of their existence out here?

LAX: It sounds pretty remarkable if they did.

",-- MATTINGLY (voice-over): The woods were recently cut down and cleared way. But plenty of questions
remain. If it's true the teens were not in these woods to commit these murders, then who was?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: Faces of evil or of wrongly convicted young men? Those three young men were found guilty of a
triple murder, the victims, three boys, each 8 years old.

Prosecutors called the killings part of a satanic ritual. As we told you before the break, the defense team is hoping
new evidence is going to lead to those young men's freedom. We're going to let you be the judge tonight.

Once again, here's CNN's David Mattingly.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MATTINGLY (voice-over): To many, they have become known as the West Memphis three. Damien Echols,
Jason Baldwin, and Jessie Misskelley were all teenagers sent to prison for the gruesome satanic ritual murders of
three 8-year-old buys.

And, 14 years after the crime, proving their innocence may depend on two human hairs recovered at the scene.

THOMAS FEDOR, FORENSIC EXPERT: None of the defendants could have been the source ofthat hair. None
ofthe victims could have been the source of either hair. None of the DNA evidence from the crime scene

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connects any of the defendants to the scene of the crime.

MATTINGLY: So, who could the hairs belong to? A defense petition in federal court says the DNA from one
hair is consistent with that of Terry Hobbs. Hobbs is the former stepfather of victim Steve Branch.

(on camera): Mr. Hobbs, do you feel like that the attorneys are accusing you of this crime?

ROSS SAMPSON, HOBBS'S ATTORNEY: The answer to that would be no.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Hobbs agreed to go in front of our cameras while his attorney did the talking. And
through most of my questions, Hobbs remained silent. (on camera) Is it possible, Mr. Hobbs, that that was your
hair?

SAMPSON: Sure. It was his son, Stephen Branch, who was murdered, and he's had to deal with this for the last
15 years.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Defense attorneys say a second hair found at the scene is consistent with the DNA
of Hobbs's friend, David Jacoby, and that the two were together in the hours before and after the victims
disappeared.

Jacoby did not return our calls, but he did volunteer DNA samples to the defense. Authorities say they stand by
the old convictions. West Memphis police have no plans to question anyone.

(on camera) Is there anything that you feel comfortable telling me?

TERRY HOBBS, FORMER STEPFATHER OF VICTIM: You live with this every day. And then, to have your
friends and neighbors look at you and think, is there something else there? That's -- that hurts.
;

MATTINGLY (voice-over): After 14 years, the rampant fears of devil worshippers and murdered children have
subsided, replaced by a new wave of emotion, demanding a reopening of the case of the West Memphis Three.

Now in their 30s, their entire adult lives spent behind bars, three grown men greet the DNA findings with hope,
wondering if this latest twist will one day set them free.

David Mattingly, CNN, West Memphis, Arkansas.

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COOPER: We'll continue to follow up on what happens next.

Tomorrow on 360, we take our "Planet in Peril" investigation one step further. Last month more than 15 million
people around the world watched our special report on our changing planet; sparked a lot of questions, a lot of
controversy. Tomorrow we're going to answer some of your questions, like this one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much impact would it have if each individual becomes an eco-friendly person?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If everybody behaved like this viewer, we would certainly be much, much better
off. But, again, that is not going to be enough to solve the problem. We absolutely have to have policies, because
consumers don't have enough choices to real solve this problem. We never solved any major voluntary issue just
with voluntary consumer action.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the most important thing that citizens can do, we live in a democracy, and we
should influence the decision makers. We should ask them, the candidates from office, are they really going to do
anything? Not just set a goal for 2050, because they won't be in office in 2050. Will they really do the things that
are needed?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: An interesting discussion on climate change and other things, tomorrow on 360.

Let's get caught up on more oftoday's headlines. Erica Hill joins us with the "360 Bulletin" -- Erica.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
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ERICA HILL, HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Anderson, a development tonight in the crisis in Pakistan.
President Bush has called President Pervez Musharraf, telling him he should hold planned elections soon and that
he should step down as Pakistan's military leader.

Meantime, in the streets of Islamabad, police firing tear gas in support of former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto.
She wants the people of Pakistan to join protests on the government's state of emergency that 'she says amounts to
martial law.

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In Finland, a high school student opened fire, killing eight people before turning the gun on himself. He later
died in a hospital. Seven of the victims were students. The eighth was the school's headmistress.

Just hours before that shooting, a video posted on YouTube warned of a massacre at the school. One clip shows a
young man firing a gun at fruit in the snowy woods. It is believed to be the gunman.

And the Space Shuttle Discovery back home tonight after a 15-day mission to the International Space Station.
The crew had to fix a broken solar wing. NASA called the dangerous mission one of the top all-time space saves.

COOPER: That's cool.

HILL: Not bad at all.

COOPER: Not bad at all.

HILL: There you have it.

COOPER: Erica, thanks.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Up next, an eighth grade girl busted at school, sentenced -- sentenced to two days in detention. So
what was her crime? Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MEGAN COULTER, SUSPENDED FOR HUGGING FRIEND: I went like this, and I
went to Katie like this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Yes, she hugged her friends. We couldn't believe it either, so we had Randi Kaye check out our story.
She's "Keeping Them Honest" next.

Also ahead, television's bounty hunter in the doghouse. His racist comments and tearful apology to Larry King
less than an hour ago. That's coming up on 360.

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COOPER: Well, the next story seems, frankly, pretty outrageous. An eighth grader in Illinois is being punished
for violating a school policy banning public displays of affection.

So what exactly is this young girl guilty of? Turns out she hugged two of her friends. At a time when we hear so
many stories about school violence, we have to wonder what could possibly be wrong with a simple hug?

Randi Kaye's "Keeping Them Honest."

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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At just 13, Megan Coulter is a bit of a celebrity. Her
phone is ringing off the hook, people offering their support.

MEGAN COULTER: I love you, Mama.

KAYE: What's all the fuss? Her Mascoutah middle school put her in detention for two days for -- get this --
hugging. It was two hugs, in fact, given to two friends, one boy and one girl, after administrators say she had
been warned.

MEGAN COULTER: I gave him a hug. It was just simple, across the shoulder, nothing. No bodies pressing up
against each other or anything.

KAYE: Megan says it was the same squeeze she's given her parents and friends before, but this time the hugs
landed her in hot water.

(on camera) Turns out there's a written policy against-public displays of affection at Megan's school. A student
handbook given to every family spell~ out policy and punishment. It's been in place for over a decade, approved
by the board of administration.

Administrators tell us Megan was not the first to get detention this school year under this policy.

(voice-over) The policy reads, "Displays of affection should not occur on the school campus at any time.lt is in
poor taste, reflects poor judgment and brings discredit to the school and to the persons involved. First offenders
will be warned. Second offenders will serve detention, and a parent conference will be held. Third offenders will
serve in-school suspension."

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Why was Megan considered a second offender? Because she gave two hugs.

"Keeping Them Honest," we ask the superintendent of schools, isn't this a bit extreme?

SAM MCGOWEN, SUPERlNTENDENT: You know, hugs lead to other things. And when they get to the point
where they're leading to other things, then they are in violation of our policy.

KAYE: Superintendent Sam McGowen went on to say he doesn't want the 600 or so students, quote,
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MELISSA COULTER, MOTHER: I think it's ridiculous. Most children are naturally affectionate creatures.

KAYE: Megan's mom, Melissa Coulter, agrees too much affection is not a good thing for impressionable kids,
but she insists this rule goes too far. She and her husband plan to push the school board to reword the policy and
be more specific about what constitutes a public display of affection.

MEGAN COULTER: It's very confusing to me, because I have always been taught, like, you know, when you
see your friends, you hug. When someone is having a bad day, you hug.

Even in sixth grade at the same middle school that I go to now, we had a DARE program, and the motto was,
"Hugs, Not Drugs." At one point they're telling us to hug each other, and at one point they're not.

KAYE: Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Man, so much for hugs, not drugs.

''--.---

All right. 0.1. Simpson has a big day tomorrow. He's due in a Las Vegas court, where evidence in the alleged
armed robbery case is going to be presented. Simpson, you know, is accused of masterminding the hotel room
holdup. I'm not sure masterminding is really all that accurate of a term.

Anyway, if he's convicted, he could spend years in prison.

But will the questionable credibility of the other players in the room that night give Simpson all the defense he
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CNN's Ted Rowlands joins us tonight live from Vegas -- Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, tomorrow is the beginning of what is expected
to be a two-day preliminary hearing. We'll hear from a number of witnesses we expect. We'll also, we expect,
hear that infamous audiotape ofthe alleged incident inside that hotel casino, that audiotape that we've all heard
before that was obtained by TMZ.com.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OJ. SIMPSON, ACCUSED OF ARMED ROBBERY: Nobody leaves this room. (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
Think you can steal my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and sell it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

SIMPSON: Don't let nobody out of here. (EXPLETIVE DELETED), you think you can steal my (EXPLETIVE
DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROWLANDS: That audiotape could go a long way in holding Simpson over to trial.

We're also going to hear from Bruce Fromong. He's the guy that had a heart attack, the memorabilia dealer who
was in that hotel room who says he got all of his stuff stolen. He is a key witness in this case.

Coming up after a short break, we have an exclusive interview with him. Stay with us. Coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SIMPSON: Don't let nobody out of here, man.

And you, I trusted you, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bag this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bag this (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

SIMPSON: Where'd you get all my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) personal (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

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COOPER: Were they trying to say the most curse words in the shortest amount of time? What do you think?
They may have come close to breaking the record there.

That, of course, is the audiotape from the night OJ. Simpson allegedly committed armed robbery in a Las Vegas
hotel room. .

Tomorrow morning, Simpson faces ajudge in a preliminary hearing, one that his defense team hopes put the case
against him to rest. But the prosecution has its own game plan.

Once again, here's Ted Rowlands.

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ROWLANDS (voice-over): If the armed robbery and kidnapping case against OJ. Simpson goes to trial,
prosecutors will be counting on this man to help them put Simpson in jail.

BRUCE FROMONG, ALLEGED ARMED ROBBERY VICTIM: I don't care ifhe was my friend or not; nobody
is above the law.

ROWLANDS: Bruce Fromong was in the room at the Palace Station Hotel when the alleged crime happened.
Simpson denies the charges.

Fromong says, even though Simpson is an old friend, he wants him to pay for what he says happened that night.

FROMONG: All of a sudden the door bursts open, and in come, you know, four people and then OJ. And, you
know, they had guns drawn.

ROWLANDS: Fromong says an audio recording of what happened, obtained by TMZ.com, seems accurate. In it,
a voice that appears to be Simpson's can be held yelling and giving orders.

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SIMPSON: Don't let anybody out of here.

ROWLANDS: Fromong claims Simpson and the other men took tens of thousands worth of memorabilia, carting
it out in boxes and pillow cases.

FROMONG: They took everything. And the last item that was taken, because the last man out of the room, was
O.J. Simpson. And he took my cell phone.

ROWLANDS: A few days later, Bruce Fromong suffered a heart attack, which he partially blames on stress from
that night.

Fromong says he's known Simpson for years and even supported him after the former football star was accused
of murdering his wife, Nicole, and Ron Goldman. In fact, Fromong testified on Simpson's behalf during the civil
trial.

. FROMONG: OJ. was a very good friend. I mean, I knew him for 17 years.

ROWLANDS (on camera): Do you want him to go to jail?

FROMONG: I think that jail may be -- may be the answer to O.J.'s problems.

ROWLANDS (voice-over): But Bruce Fromong as a witness may have some problems, as well. Listen closely to
the TMZ.com audio recording after Simpson left the hotel room.

FROMONG: I helped him set up his (EXPLETIVE DELETED) offshore accounts. Don't (EXPLETIVE
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ROWLANDS: Fromong seems to saY,he helped Simpson set up an offshore bank account, which could be used
to help shield income from the Goldman and Brown families.

FROMONG: At the time I was extremely mad, you know, and I said a lot of things that night. But it -- it will be
explained later on, and people will understand. I think even the -- you know, the Goldmans.

ROWLANDS: Fromong says, while he's still a little weak from his heart attack, he's ready to testify this week
against his old friend.

FROMONG: This is the right thing to do. And that's the only reason. I mean, it saddens me that r have to -- you

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know, I might be the one that puts OJ. in jail.

ROWLANDS: Ted Rowlands, CNN, Las Vegas.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: We shall see.

Still ahead -- Dog the Bounty Hunter, in his own words. What he told Larry King tonight about the racist rant
that cost him his job, so far. But first, Tom Foreman is in Washington with "Raw Politics" -- Tom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, when everybody in Washington knows something,
there's a good chance it's not true. For months everybody here has said it's about the war, the war, the war. That's
the election. Turns out, they may be wrong. "Raw Politics" coming up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: More fallout today from the so-called fake FEMA news conference. That's it right there. You might
recall that, when it was staged during the recent wildfire crisis in California, there actually weren't any real
reporters present. Now a second FEMA official has resigned, press secretary Aaron Walker.

On that note, let's go to Tom Foreman and tonight's "Raw Politics" -- Tom.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

FOREMAN: We have been saying it for months, and now the "Raw" numbers are backing us up. The war may
very well not dominate this election. (voice-over) Economic worries have taken over as the number win issue for
voters in our latest CNN poll. Housing, health care, gas prices. The "Raw" read: when the economy goes south,
voters often lean left. So politically, the Dems are dancing.

But they can expect a firestorm over this. A new federal law is moving swiftly through Congress to outlaw
discrimination in jobs or housing based on sexual orientation.

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REP. BARNEY FRANK (D), MASSACHUSETTS: To tell millions of Americans who are gay and lesbian that
they are not bad people.

FOREMAN: The conservative roar is already rising.

Spruce up the guest room. French President Nicholas Sarkozy spent the afternoon with President Bush at George
Washington's maison in Virginia. Sarkozy says he wants to re-conquer the heart of America. Hint to Mr. Bush:
don't bring up the ex-wife.

Some quick hits: Fred Thompson losing a lot of weight. Says his health is fine, just eating more salads.

MICHAEL MOORE, COMEDIAN: Get in my belly!

FOREMAN: Barack Obama going blue color, with new economic promises to make college more affordable,
overhaul bankruptcy law, cut the income gap.

And Obamarama's charter plane swooped in to Iowa for a big rally in Cedar Rapids this week. The problem was,
it landed more than 100 miles away in Des Moines.

(on camera) The mix-up made him about an hour late. StilI, he says he can lead America in the right direction --
Anderson.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, honest mistake.

His racist comments cost him his popular TV show. We're talking about the Dog. That's right. Tonight, Dog is
talking ag,!:in. Is he sorry? You can he~r for yourself in just a moment.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's got an 8-year-old daughter, looks like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Listen to this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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COOPER: Erica HiIljoins us again with the "360 News and Business Bulletin" -- Erica.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

HILL: Anderson, a manhunt ends in Florida with an arrest in a killing of a sheriffs deputy. Escaped prisoner
Michael Mazza is accused of shooting the deputy on his way from jail to a court appearance. Mazza is already
serving two life sentences for an earlier robbery conviction.

Developments tonight in the disappearance of Stacy Peterson. She, of course, is the wife of an Illinois police
sergeant. Investigators now want to question the officer's children from earlier marriages. They're also taking a
new look at the bathtub drowning of Sergeant Drew Peterson's third wife.

In business news, a dark day on the trading floor, the Dow plummeting 3609 points to close at 13,300. That is
one of its steepest dives (ph) of the year. The NASDAQ lost 76. The S&P plunged 44 points.

And a fender-bender on the waters of San Francisco bay: a container ship clipping one ofthe towers holding up
the Bay Bridge. No word on the exact cause, but it did happen in heavy fog. There was little damage to either the
ship or the bridge, and we are told it is unlikely the bump was even felt by any drivers, which is probably a good
thing.

COOPER: Wait. It was a fender bender in the water?

HILL: Well, yes. You know, the fender ofthe container ship. Maybe only one fender.

COOPER: Hmm, I see.

HILL: Maybe a hull bender.

COOPER: OK.

HILL: A hull bender perhaps.

COOPER: All right.

HILL: So technical, Anderson Cooper.

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COOPER: No.

HILL: Come on. Just have a little fun!

COOPER: Yes.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Now "The Shot", Duane "Dog" Chapman. You know the former TV bounty hunter. Former, that is,
because his show has been yanked by A&E, for the foreseeable future, they say, over Dog's use of the "N" word
to describe his son's girlfriend.

Well, tonight Dog tried to explain everything by Larry King, saying he thinks he was set up by his son Tucker--
well, we know he was set up by his son Tucker and the girlfriend -- even before Tucker sold the audiotape to the
"National Enquirer." It's very confusing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER: One time outside my office these girls were going to jump
Beth and tape record Beth and try to get her to fight.

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Your wife?

CHAPMAN: My wife, Beth, right. And they had dressed for the fight, had tank shirts on, these girls. So ended
up one ofthem was Tucker's girlfriend.

So I called him up and said, you knoV'{, "What are you doing, son? What are you guys doing here?"

And the whole idea was the "Enquirer" magazine was trying to trap me using racial slurs.

First I thought, oh, my God. You know, well, people know it's the truth. I thought, you know, people know it's
me. They know me.

KING: You didn't think anything would happen?

CHAPMAN: Well, I knew it would happen, but I went, "Oh, my God. Here I have to explain now." What -- you

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know, why I think I'm cool with the black race. And I thought -- I was thinking, God, America just don't --
wouldn't understand that.

And then when it happened, I thought, you know, wait a minute. You know, people know me. They know that
I'm not prejudiced; I'm not like that. I've come a long way. And, Larry, it's tough to be a nobody and then work
up to be a somebody. There's -- and some of old things still hang onto you.

Unfortunately, my vocabulary. I'm not -- trying not to swear. The "F" word, the "A" word, the "P" word, the "N"
word. I'm trying not to use any of those words. Then I won't be accustomed to just letting this stufffly. I have
quit swearing for four or five days. And now to hear the "F" word when people use it, it kind of upsets me a little
bit in my spirit: "Oh, what are you saying?"

And I thought today, you mean, when I swore like that, that's what it meant to people?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: I can't explain that. I watched the whole thing. It lasts an hour. You can watch it on "LARRY KING
LIVE" later tonight.

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By Marc Perrusquia

Tuesday, November27,2007

From the tumor on his brain that he nicknamed "Harvey" to his violent outbursts and
his odd, backwoods humor, not much is ordinary about John Mark Byers.

For 14 years those eccentricities made him a suspect in the court of pUblic opinion built
up around the 1993 West Memphis child murders.

A long-haired mammoth of a man with curious ties to cops and drug dealers, Byers
was the adoptive parent of one of three 8-year-old boys found nude and hog-tied in a
drainage ditch.

Defense lawyers and filmmakers pointed accusing fingers at Byers, something he says
sent him into a downward spiral of booze, drugs and a prison stint. For years, he hated
and largely avoided the media.

But now, as new defense evidence has emerged that alleges three men were wrongly
convicted and hints at the guilt of an uncharged party, Byers has a new persona.

With a shaved head and suit and tie, Byers is giving media interviews, saying he
believes the three defendants he once hated are innocent. He also claims to hold
damning evidence about the man he says actually did it.

"I'm not that crazy hillbilly they made me out to be," Byers told The Commercial Appeal
on Monday in a Downtown public relations office where he vowed to unveil his new
evidence soon.

"I'm not backing up. And this Southern boy does not run."

Calling himself "a 6-foot-6, 245-pound red herring," Byers, 50, said suspicions about
him caused him years of pain and stress.

But he says he's resting easy since defense lawyers filed legal papers last month in
federal court in Little Rock. Citing new DNA evidence, those papers assert that
convicted murderers Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley are
innocent. Among findings by a defense team of forensic pathologists and DNA
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specialists are two hairs found at the crime scene that defense lawyers say link one of
the victim's parents to the crime scene.

That man, stepfather Terry Hobbs, has emphatically denied any role in the killings.

"They (defense lawyers) have nothing better to do than to try to get some killers out of
prison. And they have to point the finger at somebody," Hobbs said again Monday in a
phone interview.

Yet Byers, who grew close to Hobbs in the years after the murders, says he's
assembled evidence against his old friend.

Byers said he secretly recorded hours of phone conversations with Hobbs in recent
months. He wouldn't say what's on all those tapes, but suggested it was' damning.

"In my opinion, he's a monster. He's been standing 'in my shadow. And I'm going to
expose him....

"If it takes my last breath on this Earth, I'm going to see that man in prison."

One of those surreptitious digital recordings landed on the Internet this month when
Byers inadvertently e-mailed it to the wrong person.

A copy of the 23-minute conversation taped in October was posted recently on

wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org, one of several mom-and-pop Web sites that have
cropped up around the case. On the tape, Byers and Hobbs talk about the new twist in
the investigation. At one point, Hobbs likens himself to the Biblical figure Job in
discussing his tribulations, yet insists he had nothing to do with the murders.

"When the circus left town they left a clown behind," Hobbs said Monday of Byers and
his allegations. "For whatever reason he's doing this, and I think I know, he's on the
wrong page."

Asked what he thought was motivating Byers, Hobbs summed it up in a word: "Money."

Byers confirmed in the interview at the offices of Carter Malone Group public relations
firm that he's writing a book and that Hollywood movie producers have bought his "life
rights." He declined to say how much he stands to make.

Carter Malone account supervisor Kalisa Hyman said the firm has been hired by Clear
Pictures, a Hollywood production company that plans to make a movie based on the
West Memphis murders. The firm has bought the life stories of several people tied to
the case, Hyman said. The company has also bought Hobbs' life rights, she said.

Nonetheless, Byers said his coming forward has nothing to do with money and
everything to do with the memory of his son, Christopher Byers.
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"I was compelled to find out the truth for my son and his two friends," he said; "If it was
your son wouldn't you go to the end of world to find out the truth?"

The case has puzzled and horrified since the bodies of Christopher and his two friends,
Stevie Branch and MichaelMoore, were pulled from a rainy weather creek in a woods
along Interstate 40 in West Memphis. A month later, police arrested Echols, Baldwin
and Misskelley -- all teenagers -- and charged them with capital murder. Echols now is
on death row, and Baldwin and Misskelley are serving life sentences.

Prosecutors contended at trial that the murders were satanic slayings, presenting
evidence that the teens were in involved in occult practices.

Yet suspicion fell on Byers after he gave a New York film crew a knife that later was
found to have human blood on it. Byers said Monday the folding knife had on its hinge
a spot of dried blood so small DNA testing at the time could only determine a blood
type. It was the blood type of both Byers and Christopher. The two weren't biologically
related; a stepson, Christopher was adopted by Byers.

When that film crew produced a movie, "Paradise Lost," and a sequel, both of which
aired on HBO, Byers said he was introduced to a national audience as a crazed,
backwoods nut.

He was seen in one film shooting pumpkins in a woods and likening the explosions to
the wounded heads of Echols and his co-defendants and in the sequel lighting three
graves in effigy on fire. Looking back, Byers said he blames himself for his odd
behavior, blaming it on grief and stress he was under. After the murders, he served 15
months in prison for burglary and said he's been in rehab several times.

"I missed the day in school when they said, 'Here's how you're supposed to act if your
son is murdered.' I must have been hunting or fishing or playing hooky."

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The pieces appeared to be falling into place.

The DNA testing.
The discovery of previously unknown details about the night of May 5, 1993.
A potential new suspect.
So on Oct. 29, 2007, defense attorneys felt confident filing new federal court documents
contending that Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley had been wrongly
convicted ~f killing three 8-year-old boys.
The attorneys revealed the results of ongoing DNA testing, turning their spotlight on
Terry Hobbs, the stepfather of one of the West Memphis boys.
Two days later, a panel of fo- rensics experts and a former FBI agent again pointed at
Hobbs, saying he should have been questioned by police at the time of the slayings.
Hobbs, 49, is angry, saying that in the past year, defense investigators have ruined his
reputation and caused him to have a nervous breakdown.
"I want people to know I haven't done nothing wrong," he said in a Friday night
interview at a Memphis barbecue restaurant. "I want them to hear it from me."
The defense contends that DNA results are irrefutable and that an evolving timeline of
- that night shows Hobbs had motive and opportunity.
Former FBI profiler John Douglas, who has investigated Hobbs for the defense over the
past year, says his subject has a dark side. He says two separate interviews revealed very
different versions of Terry Hobbs.
"You're talking to a saint - the all-American father, a great husband. And then there's
the rest of the story. We are talking about two different people."
It's been nearly 15 years since the nude, hogtied bodies of Stevie Branch, Michael Moore
and Chris Byers were discovered in a drainage ditch that runs through West Memphis'
Robin Hood Hills area, where the children often played.
All three of the boys had suffered numerous abrasions and puncture wounds. Most
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disturbing, however, were Chris Byers' injuries. There were cuts on his inner thighs and
a portion of his genitalia had been mutilated and removed.
A month later, police arrested three locals: Echols, 18; Baldwin, 16; and Misskelley, 17.
In two trials that focused heavily on allegations of Satanism, all three were convicted.
Echols was sentenced to death, while Misskelley and Baldwin received life sentences.
Spurred by HBO documentaries on the case, skeptics from across the nation formed a
grassroots movement that eventually came to be known as Free the West Memphis 3.
Money collected by supporters eventually secured a high-profile team of attorneys and
forensics experts, who, in recent months have revitalized interest and publicity in the
case.
The crux of the defense rests on DNA testing that wasn't available in 1993.
In the court documents filed Oct. 29, 2007, defense attorneys said testing thus far hasn't
linked "any of the three men to the crime scene. And six forensics experts contend that
animals - not satanic rituals - caused the boys' wounds. These injuries, they added,
occurred after death.
Lawyers for Echols plan to take their new appeal to a state judge this month. The
decision comes after U. S. District Judge William Wilson Jr. asked Echols to present
parts of his appeal to state courts before turning to federal courts. Arkansas Attorney
General Dustin McDaniel said last month that he's frustrated by "a misleading press
campaign" suggesting that there is new DNA evidence exonerating the three men. And
he stood by a state medical examiner's conclusion that Chris' scrotum was cut offby a
knife.
A YEAR OF SCRUTINY Defense investigators arrived on Hobbs' doorstep in late
February 2007. Hobbs was leery but invited them inside. "It was raining," he explained.
The investigators, both from a private Memphis firm, had two questions: Can you
account for your whereabouts on May 5, 1993 ?
Why didn't the West Memphis Police Department ever questicm you about the boys'
murders?
Before leaving, unbeknownst to Hobbs, the pair took cigarette butts from an ashtray in
his living room and the front yard.
"They used to call that stealing," Hobbs said, thumping the table for emphasis.
Over the next few months, investigators talked to Hobbs' neighbors and family. They
also were in frequent contact with Hobbs' ex-wife, Pam, who has long accused Hobbs-
to his face and in the media - of killing Stevie, he said. "She hurt so bad, she would lash
out. She didn't think I was hurting and wanted me to feel her pain."
During such arguments, he said, Pam would yell - "You killed my son!"
Meanwhile, investigators continued to dig, tracking down a video from a neighborhood
bar he used to visit with his ex-wife. The tape shows the couple involved in a lengthy
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fight, Hobbs said.

On March 7, Hobbs suffered an emotional breakdown, he'said. He staked a sign in his
front yard, putting the contents of his rental house up for sale. "1 walked away. 1 put
myself out on the street."
He spent the next few months living in a yellow Ford pickup with his teenage daughter.
He can't explain why the investigators' visit prompted this reaction. "These are things
men don't like to talk about," Hobbs said.
He also blames frequent media attention over the past 15 years. "None of us families
have had a chance to go through the healing process," he said. "But 1 never let this thing
take a toll on me until last year."
Maybe it was because he was writing a book about the case, Hobbs said, adding, "You
relive it."
Meanwhile, the defense's investigation intensified, especially after forensics experts said
a hair found in Michael's ligatures matched mitochondrial DNA on the cigarette butts
taken from Hobbs' home.
In May, Hqbbs met again with the defense investigators at their request. He stayed
awhile but didn't cooperate, he said. Around this time, he began attending church and
got a job in sales at a lumber company.
In June, he was summoned to the West Memphis Police Department for questioning.
His ex-wife had been talking to officers about some pocketknives he once owned, Hobbs
said, adding, "It wasn't nothing."
On Oct. 9, Hobbs began attending support group meetings to deal with his stepson's
death, he said.
A few weeks later, in the Oct. 29 filing, defense attorneys said further DNA evidence
linked Hobbs to the crime scene. A second hair, found on a tree. stump, belonged to a
man Hobbs had visited the evening the boys disappeared, they said, adding that they
didn't believe the man had been at the crime scene.
A few days later, Hobbs received a note from the support group he had just joined. It
asked that he not return until "all the uncertainties are cleared up."
Members of a second group have remained supportive, he said, as has the congregation
of his current church and his coworkers.
THE DEFENSE'S THEORY Twice during the late summer, Hobbs met with former FBI
profiler Douglas, once at a mall and again at the downtown Holiday Inn. The first
interview was pleasant, he said. Douglas agreed, saying Hobbs presented himself well,
making the retired agent wonder if he was investigating the wrong man. "Mer about
two hours, I told the person I'm with - 'Jesus, I don't know about this guy. '" Over the
next few days, however, Douglas interviewed others. By the time he was done, he knew
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Hob1:>s had lied repeatedly to him in the previous interview, Douglas said.
Douglas contends that: Hobbs beat his first wife and his second wife, Pam; he was
abus ed by his own parents; he abused Stevie and his younger daughter.
The ,second interview didn't go so well. "He was rattled when we confronted him,"
Douglas said.
Douglas said he believes the killings occurred after Hobbs set out to taunt and punish
Stevie and his friends. The killings happened, he said, when Hobbs realized things had
gone beyond "teaching a lesson."
The defense questions why Hobbs reportedly ventured near the crime scene during a
search for the boys but then turned back, saying he had a creepy feeling.
"I know you've all heard the lowdown about me," Hobbs says in response during the
interview at the Memphis restaurant. "But it ain't all lowdown."
He's always been a good husband, he said, and while he and Pam once got into an
altercation during which he slapped her and shot her brother, the abuse she suffered for
many years was inflicted by others. That 1994 shooting, he said, happened in self-
defense after the man jumped him. "Yeah, I shot the dude. He was a big guy." The
brother survived the shooting.
Hobbs scoffed at investigators' assertions that he was abused by his own parents,
alternately descr·ibing his dad as a man with a redhead's temper and as an upstanding
Pentecostal minister.
He was reluctant to discuss the subject further, however, saying again that it's a "man
thing."
"They've gone around to my family and have put together things they said. I've heard
some things I didn't know or care about. I had a good dad and mom."
Asked about allegations that he disliked or abused Stevie, Hobbs said, "He called me
Dad. We had a blast. We didn't have a hostile relationship."
On the night the boys disappeared, Hobbs said, he did go down the path that led to the
crime scene.
"I couldn't breathe. I froze. The hair started standing up."
He described the odor of blood, saying he knows the scent because of the time he
worked with his dad, a butcher, but said he didn't smell it on the path. "I had to get out
of there. Something just wasn't right. I don't know what came over me. I don't
remember if I told police."
He's glad he wasn't the one to discover the bodies, Hobbs said, adding, "They were
buried underwater."
He finds it a strange twist to watch Chris Byers' stepdad, Mark Byers, go from being an
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implied suspect in two HBO documentaries to one of Hobbs' accusers. "Theywere

bashing him, and I kept saying, ' He didn't do this. '"
He thinks Byers and his exwife have turned on him because of attention and the promise
of money.
"It shames you, something like this. That's the biggest thing I've had to deal with -
shame."

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Jason Baldwin's 1994 capital-murder trial lacked numerous witnesses who could have played a pivotal
role in his defense - from the art teacher who could have given him an alibi to the juvenile-detention
supervisor who says the sheriff ordered her out of town to avoid testifying, according to documents filed
Friday in Craighead County Circuit Court.

Baldwin's current defense team filed a 1, 500-page writ of habeas corpus and exhibits, petitioning the
court to either vacate his conviction or grant him a new trial in light of DNA evidence obtained in the
past year.

On Thursday, his attorneys filed a different writ with the Arkansas Supreme Court that claims
prosecutors withheld crucial evidence from Baldwin's trial attorneys. They also filed an Amended
Petition for Relief under Rule 37 that claims a multitude of errors, including improper deliberations by
the jury and prosecutorial misconduct.

Friday's filing says trial attorneys bungled Baldwin's defense by failing to call key witnesses and by not
hiring a private investigator. It also requests a new trial per the state's DNA law, which allows anyone
convicted of a crime to ask for a re-examination of evidence if new tests or science have become
available.

Baldwin, who, at age 16, was the youngest of the three teenage defendants, was convicted and sentenced
to life 15 years ago for the murders of three 8-yearold boys: Steve Branch, Michael Moore and Chris
Byers. Baldwin and Damien Echols were tried together. Echols, then 18, received a death sentence.
Jessie Misskelley, then 17, was tried separately, having given police a confession that would later be
deemed inadmissible in the other boys' joint trial.

The trials and convictions gained national attention at the time because of the lurid allegations of satanic
and sexual rituals involved in the murders. 'I WANT TO GET IT OVER WITH'

Over the years, the three defendants have attracted an international following of people and celebrities
who believe that the investigation and resulting trials were flawed. The intense scrutiny has long irritated
prosecutors and state officials, who contend justice was served.

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In a court hearing this spring, Craighead County Circuit Judge David Burnett ordered all involved in the
case to quit talking to news media before appeals hearings scheduled for the fall.

"I'm tired of reading about this case in the newspapers and seeing it on television," he said as he took
the bench on April 15. "I'll find you in contempt of court ifI see any news account that attributes
[information] to an attorney."

The judge expressed frustration with the repeated questioning of the men's convictions. "This has been
going on 15 years. I want to get it over with."

The case gained new momentum in the past year as the results of new DNA testing emerged.

Those results were noted in Friday's filing, the most significant being the lack of DNA found at the
crime scene or on the victims' bodies. Defense attorneys contend that if one adheres to the state's theory
that the children were killed in a bloody, satanic, sexual ritual, DNA from the defendants would have to
have been left behind.

The filing refers to the findings of six scientists, all of whom agree that the boys' injuries were caused
by animal predation after death - not a knife, as prosecutors argued at trial.

Also at issue are two hairs that appear to link Terry Hobbs, the stepfather of one of the boys, to the
crime scene. In June 2007, after DNA results began appearing in the news media, the West
Police Department asked Hobbs to go in for another interview. He denied any involvement in the
murders - to detectives and, later, to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

In Friday's filing, the defense points again at Hobbs, citing an interview with a woman he dated for six
months in 2002-03. The woman said Hobbs told her that he was the first to find the boys' bodies but
didn't tell the police or his wife about his discovery.

"That's so crazy," Hobbs said Friday when asked about her claims. "Some people will say anything to
get their 15 seconds of fame, and that, to me, sounds like one of those people."

The woman, he said, wasn't a girlfriend. She was interested in him, but he didn't reciprocate.

"And no," he added. "I didn't find the boys' bodies." WHAT THE JURY DIDN'T HEAR

In Friday's filing, defense attorneys repeatedly refer to witnesses who they say either were intimidated
into silence or were never called by the defense, despite having shared information with Baldwin's
attorneys before trial.

In one affidavit, a potential witness said former Craighead County Sheriff Larry Emison threatened her.

Joyce Cureton oversaw the Juvenile Detention Center in Jonesboro, where Baldwin was held before and
during his trial. Before trial, defense attorneys contacted her, hoping her testimony would help discredit
one of the prosecution's star witnesses - a juvenile inmate, Michael Carson, who claimed that Baldwin
told him that he dismembered the boys and sucked blood from their genitals. Cureton also could have
authenticated records showing that Carson and Baldwin appeared to have been alone together on only
one occasion. Defense attorneys also wanted her to attest to Baldwin's gentle nature and good behavior
at the facility.

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In her affidavit, Cureton said: "The then-sheriff, Larry Emison, instructed me to get out of Craighead
County immediately. He told me I better not be in court."

Cureton says she obeyed, leaving for Newport with her husband.

"I regretted leaving town to avoid testifying at Jason's sentencing," she added. "I would not have left if
the sheriff had not instructed me to do so."

Emison did not return a call for comment Friday. Additional affidavits from numerous detention center
staff members and former inmates support Cureton's assertion that Carson lied about Baldwin bragging
about the killings.

All say that Baldwin refused to talk about the case and repeatedly denied any involvement. Former
employees, relying on old records and logbooks, say Baldwin and Carson once played cards together,
but nothing was said about the murders. Former inmates who were in that game also deny that Baldwin
offered a confession. None of these people were called to testify in 1994.

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'Reported by Janice Broach

:Step-father of a West Memphis Three victim writing book
Updated: Aug 8/ 2008 11 :23 PM CDT

The man now suspected in the West Memphis Three murders 15

years ago is writing a tell-all book.

Jason Baldwin, Jessie Misskelley and Damien Echols are in prison

for the killing of three boys 15 years ago. But in recent months,
Echols' defense team said DNA evidence has. claimed that one of
the victim's stepfather, Terry Hobbs, is the real killer.

Action News 5 has learned a hearing is scheduled for later this

month to make sure attorneys are ready to go forward with a hearing on new DNA results.

Damien Echols' attorneys hopes it leads to a new trial.

'Terry Hobbs said he just may go to that hearing. He also said he has got a book deal.

~"I am not a child killer. I was a step parent back then and we were a family on our feet doing
'well and when this happened. It just blows your world away and to see it go on for 15 years and
to see what has gone on for the past year and a half has been devastating and highly wrong,"
Hobbs said.

Hobbs is the stepfather of Stevie Branch, one of the boys murdered by the so called West
Memphis Three. He has been named as a suspect in the murders of the three cub scouts by
Damien Echols' defense team. Echols is on death row. Echols' attorneys said new DNA testing
identified a hair found at the crim.e scene that ties Hobbs to the crimes.

"I haven't done a thing wrong and everybody knows that," Hobbs said.

A hearing on the new evidence is scheduled for next month. Hobbs said he may go to that
hearing.

"To look at the people that done me like that, 'cause I imagine they are all going to be sitting
there. I would like to just walk in and look at them," Hobbs said.

Hobbs also said he has kept a journal that began that day in May the bodies of the three boys
were discovered .

"Part of it is in the hands of a publisher or a book writer... not a publisher, a writer. I think we are
going to write a pretty good story about this," Hobbs said.

Hobbs also said it is about 300-400 pages and said someone in Hollywood wants the first rights
to the book.

Hobbs said Echols' defense team wanted to look at his journal and he would not let them.

Hobbs said Echols' defense team thought he confessed to the murders in his journal and that is
why they wanted to read it.

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He said that is not true and he has never let them look at it.

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