Panther 8.8 Again?!

 

Riposte: The Panther 8.8

By:

IrmaBecx

 

So if you look carefully at the picture adjoining my “Ersatz Panther?” paper, you will se I was running the Panther mit 8.8 cm L/71 with stage I equipment only. That means I didn’t experience the tank at its best, the gun handling and mobility are really much better than I thought they were.

I realised this because I was trying to put the new spare part camo on it today, and it wasn’t available. Why isn’t it available? Is there something wrong? No. You need six slots unlocked to get the Strong Willed camo, and this one only has three.

Noob…

I ran a few games and realised the tank is better than I thought it was, but I still didn’t experience the revelation I was looking for; that I have been looking for ever since the Pather 8.8 first dropped.

Even worse, it seems someone else did, and proceeded to take me to school on it. Here’s what my friend and clanmate Hades had to say:

 

“…if you are looking for an OP or easy to play tank, then the Panther 8,8 isn’t it, however…

On one hand I do completely see where you are coming from, Irma, in that it’s not a strong tank or easy to play. I also totally agree with Xeno in that it is a really rewarding tank to play, as a result of it not being OP. Personally, I’m not sure if I can put my finger on it but there is something about the tank which I really really like. It is my favourite tier 8 medium, and it just works I think.

It is one of the poor hidden gems of the game that is seen as being bad by 99.9% of players, yet I think it isn’t bad at all, just misunderstood. It’s like the Sturer Emil, or the Nashorn or the CGC.

It is average or slightly below average in so many areas and shouldn’t be fun to play or enjoyable yet it does one thing spectacularly, which makes up for any shortcomings, and that is the gun. It has the best gun handling as far as I know of any tank at the tier, the gun just sings and is consistent.

It rewards positioning and weak spot knowledge. It is the “thinking man’s tank”, I think the classic old school term really applies here. It doesn’t rely on being good at everything or having some gimmick which is unique or being super fast and speedy. It’s a methodical consistent tank which has an excellent gun and that’s what you rely on, it’s got few tricks up its sleeves.

But in my opinion that’s what makes it so good. It’s a bread and butter vehicle, it is the quintessential panther in my opinion. It has the most accurate gun, with a vanilla panther chassis and standard mobility. Its my goto credit grinder because it isn’t laborious to drive. You point the gun and it hits true, it penetrates depending on where you aimed it. It has DPM which is average, yet the sublime accuracy means that you won’t miss a shot you would in even the panther or Indien.

At first thought, the 8,8 is mediocre. It sounds a lot like any other medium tank. But it is the best medium tank in my opinion because of that gun which it is named after. It’s just a pleasure to drive, you get into a rhythm. If you see a weak spot, this is the tank you can use to hit that weakspot, and if the 8,8 can’t do it, no other tank can.

So no it’s not that exciting or spectacular because it’s just a panther that’s a fine tuned better than it’s siblings. It makes plenty of credits, and if you manage to get into the 8,8 rhythm you will get into a rhythm of raking in considerable earnings. If you want a tank which has an excellent gun, and you want a tank which doesn’t hand you wins then this is the tank for you.

If you can get this to work you will then be able to transfer the knowledge over into any other conventional medium tank. It will be a bit rough and not that fun until you find that steady pace in the tank. But when you find that pace, you won’t regret getting the tank, and at least for me, it will stay in your garage and you will keep coming back to it.”

 

The first think that struck me when I read that is I could have written it. It’s tank philosophy 101. The second thing that struck me is that I could have written it but didn’t, even though I wanted to write it.

That is why I am writing this addendum.

Hades sees something in the Panther 8.8 that I don’t. I recognise it, but I don’t see it. Or I didn’t see it, at least, partly because I was driving a sub-par tank.

Yes. I know you can drive tanks with 50% crew and still be quite successful, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. I drove the thing on a press account with full combat loadout; I just assumed since I’ve had it for so long that it had equipment on it, and therefore my judgement is off.

I remember what happened. I was going to drive the 8.8 with base equipment first for comparison, but I just never got around to mounting it, and then spare parts happened so it never got done. Yeah, this tank is that old in the game. This was also before it got buffed, so the bulk of my experience with the tank is definitely outdated.

In my defense, and that is just a figure of speech; I don’t actually feel I have to defend myself, I will say a few point I made still stand. But Hades already acknowledged this, so making that point doesn’t really get us any further along.

That is the point of tank philosophy, you see. It’s a reflexive process. And I am delighted to be able to present an alternative view, because ever since I wrote mine, I’ve been feeling dissatisfied with it. I don’t feel like my love for all things Panther really shines through in the text, and I didn’t allow for the possibility that what happened to Hades could also happen to you. The Panther 8.8 could be a really good fit for you. It could be fantastic.

And that’s what Panthers do best. Surprise you be being more than what they seem to be, or simply better than you thought they were. And if you have the slightest suspicion you maybe turning into a gun stat fetishist, I think you owe it to yourself to take a good, long look at the Panther 8.8, because it is precisely that kind of tank, and as I said the price they’re asking for it is quite reasonable in todays game economy.

I will say if you are close to getting the AMX CDC, then that could be a better investment right now, but you should be able to decide that for yourself. The CDC is faster and more agile, and it has a bit more gun depression, so it’s even more of a gun stat fetishist tank. But the Panther will get a bounce once in a blue moon, so it may be more forgiving for you to drive if you are not a Light tank driver at heart. It’s just a matter of preference, really.

 

So yeah. Tank philosophy working as intended. Me, I am going to give the 8.8 another chance, and see how I feel about it in a couple of days. Hades, all he has to do is keep Cancrackerism at bay and he’s set for life as a tank philosopher.

 

And the final verdict?

To tell you the truth, at this point I don’t know. But I think you’ll be able to form a pretty good picture of what the Panther 8.8 is all about by now. If I had to say something to guide you, IrmaBecx says “Proceed with Caution”.

 

Special thanks to Kinghades42 for his excellent critique.

Monday Poetry Corner

 

Poet and Didn’t Know It!

By:

IrmaBecx

 

Trying to explain to a friend what poetry is last week, I am not sure I made a lot of sense. Other than being in the eye of the beholder, it’s easy to get sidetracked, because a lot of things can come across as being poetic, without being actual poetry.

And that is what interests me, really. The poetic quality of things. The fact you can ascribe poetry to things and have people take them; if not seriously, then at least differently. As I am supposed to be some kind of Sociologist, it is perhaps not so surprising I should be more interested in peoples reactions to poetry than in poems themselves.

Things like this are also an end in themselves for me. I am an old romantic, and I think there is far too much taking seriously these days. Or maybe it’s the wrong things that are taken seriously. Either way, taking the time to discover art, philosophy and poetry in your surroundings is something I think is both very important and done far too seldom these days.

It’s always been like that, by the way. Those who came before always seem to have been better at those things. Consider the ancient Greeks, Romans, or Aquarians; how many people have they not made feel like they were born too late?

But as with “the one that got away”, or your most intimate fantasies, anticipation will almost always beat fulfillment. You don’t really want to meet your heroes, because you might find out they are just like you: disenchanted, disillusioned, and pining for ancient, better times just like you are.

There is comfort to be drawn from this. The realisation that we are not so different; the human condition is what it is, the same it’s always been, and somehow, in the long run, that has to be a good thing. We have the same opportunities for love, learning and transcendence as the old Romans, and when we are gone, people will wonder about us; how we lived and how we felt, and they will also feel they were born too late.

Again, just like we do.

So singing the praises of seeing the poetic in your immediate surroundings like this, I started thinking about what the most poetic tank might be, and it turns out the answer is pretty obvious.

It is of course the Spähpanzer Ru 251; the fastest tank in the game in any sense of the word.

So I tried to do one better, and write a poem about it. Here’s what I came up with. Not saying it’s Verlaine, but as an expression of my feelings for the tank, I am pretty happy with it. I don’t feel like there’s a lot more to say that isn’t specifically about the combined poetic qualities of powersliding, DPM, and dispersion on the move.

 

Enjoy:

 

SpeedPanzer

 

You don’t know me, but I see you

I am in my Ru

Are you gliding, across the terrain

they way I do?

 

You’ll see me

when I hit you

when I surround you

like I can do

in my Ru

 

You say ISU?

With a 152?

My Ru don’t like you

my armour

is see-through

 

I could tell you

all about my Ru

but if you had half a brain

I won’t have to

you would drive one too.

 

-IrmaBecx

 

Ersatz Panther? The “88”.

 

Panther Mit 8,8 cm L/71

By:

IrmaBecx

 

EDIT: It turns out, all throughout this review, I’ve been driving the Panther 8.8 without equipment. The engine upgrade helps with mobility, and once you get some Vstabs and a GLD on the L/71, the gun handling really is great.

That means the Panther 8.8 is stronger than I give it credit for in my review, but I still don’t think it changes my conclusion; I still don’t think I will get one. I do like it, but it does struggle, and I am just not sure I’ll get a lot of mileage out of it, even with the Vstab.

 

Three years ago, I was super excited about the Panther 8.8. I mean I realised it was just a tier VII Panther with a tier VIII gun, but it was a Panther, and I figured I could practice my cool Panther moves while raking in the credits.

Trying it out on my press account, I was kind of disappointed. Back then, the 8.8 was quite literally just a worse Panther; the only thing it did reasonably well was grind credits. I still felt like I would like to have one, but I didn’t want to actually pay for it.

That was a long time ago now. And the Panther 8.8 is back in the store for a few days. Considering the onslaught of crate tanks we’ve been having lately, the price comes across as quite reasonable.

But do I still want one?

*

No matter how you look at it, it’s still just a Panther

 

I ran a few games to try and find out. And yes, the 8.8 still prints credits. A fairly standard game blowing all your consumables and doing maybe 2K damage should net you 60.000 on a premium account no problem.

It’s also still very recognisably a Panther II. I drove the actual one to make sure, and yes; the tanks drive very much the same. What happens is, you get a bit better gun handling; accuracy, aimtime and stability on the move are all superior to the tech tree variant.

The armour, in turn, is weaker. 80 mm front plate instead of 100. 50 mm side armour instead of 60. Actually, the lower part of the side armour is only 40 mm, but you do get functional side skirts, on the off chance someone would be silly enough to fire HEAT rounds at a Panther.

The mobility is better. The 8.8 is seven tons lighter than the Panther II, and so your have more power. Twelve degrees better hull traverse. But for some inexplicable reason, the lighter tank has worse ground resistances, so although the 8.8 is a little more mobile, it’s not a huge difference.

Panthers aren’t exactly agile. They move in a peculiar way, and they are pretty fast in a straight line once they get going. I had the misfortune of being pushed on by a couple of Heavy tanks, and there’s just nothing doing. You can’t angle your armour to get a bounce, you can’t run away, and you can’t out-manoeuvre them. All you can do is trade hitpoints.

But this is old news to any Panther driver. You know the only place you are likely to get a bounce is off the sides of your turret, and you are used to playing the sidelines and keeping your head down.

The only problem is, I don’t drive as much Panthers as I used to.

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It’s not just the Germans. I don’t drive a lot of weakly armoured, gun depression-style Medium tanks these days, and if I do, I’ll be in my Leopards. I still drive the E50 M of course, but that’s different. The Maximum Panther has actual armour plating.

People change. The game changes. And there is no question the current game meta is all about big guns and armour. Driving something like an STA-1 or a T20 these days is practically asking to be pelted with massive High Explosive rounds from all sides.

I like Panthers, I do. I even like this one. It’s fairly mobile and has an excellent gun, and if you work at it, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to carry a game or two from the bottom. But you will have to work for it; the Panther 8.8 doesn’t give you anything for free at all. And as much as I like Panthers, I am just not feeling it this time around.

It’s not very different from a lot of other tanks I already have. The Panther II, for one. The STA-1 I mentioned. The Indien Panzer. I also have a few tier VIII premium Mediums that already make plenty of credits. As much as I would like to have a Panther among them, I don’t really feel like the 8.8 would add very much to my collection.

So: If IrmaBecx; known Panther elitist and former German separatist tank driver doesn’t want it, who would?

Well, if you are looking for a Medium tank to grind credits and work on your gameplay, but not necessarily win a lot of games, then the 8.8 could be for you. The 88 mm shells are dirt cheap, and with around 180% credit coefficient, you can run all the expensive consumables you like.

The Panther 8.8 isn’t necessarily a weak tank, but it is struggling in the current game meta. It’s too big, the armour’s too thin, and it isn’t quite fast enough to get away with cheeky maneouvres. The L/71 may be a Heavy tank gun, but it’s actually the smallest calibre on any tier VIII Medium except the Centurion I.

Stuff like that used to excite me. Driving tanks for the challenge. Trying to make them work.

And it still does, to a point. But I am not having my Panther revival this week, and so for me, I think it’s going to have to be a pass. There’s nothing wrong with the Panther 8.8, but it’s also not super exciting. It’s a traditional premium tank; meaning it’s supposed to be slightly weaker than its tech tree counterpart, and that’s all it is. It doesn’t have a gimmick beyond excellent gun handling.

If you want to push your limits a little, see what you’re made of, or are just looking for a regular old Medium tank you can drive as much as you like and not worry about credits, then the Panter 8.8 could be just what the doctor ordered.

But I think you need to think hard about your “because”. I am getting a Panther 8.8 because. Because I want to practice Medium tank driving. Because my Löwe is too slow. Because I like Panther tanks. Because I am a collector. Because I think it looks really cool. Because I don’t care everyone else are running doom cannons and IS tanks; I want to go against the grain.

Whatever your motivation, unless you have a specific reason why you want to get the Panther 8.8, I would suggest you give it a pass. My feeling is that without one, the tank will turn out to be, if not outright disappointing, then at least mediocre.

 

On the plus side however, it should grind its own equipment in a flash. That’s always something.

See you out there.

What I Did On My Summer Holiday

 

So yesterday I did something amazing.

You may recall I put stage II equipment on my Type 58 so all my China tanks would have the same green camo, and looking through my garage, my eyes fell on it.

Hmm. No point in having all the other upgrades without the Vstab. How much is that? 133.000 credits. As I recall the Type 58 doesn’t exactly rake in the credits, but it’s not as bad as the higher tiers. It should easily be able to grind its own vertical stabiliser.

I used to do this all the time. Let tanks grind their own equipment. So I dropped some useless credit boosters, and even though I managed to lose every single game, after five or six, I had made the 130 K.

Now, here’s the amazing part. I just klicked on the box, my credits disappeared, and Bam! – there it was. My little Chinese T-34-85 has a Vstab. Just like that.

So I rolled out, and ended up on Yamato harbour I think; I may be wrong. But anyway, there is a tank up on the camping shelf, and I am going full tilt (meaning 45 or so) trying to get in cover before it sees me.

But I have Vstabs now, and the reticule doesn’t look so bad, so I snap the shot, and it flies true; smashing through the armour next to the gun mantlet for a solid 182 damage low roll. Practically free damage.

I was dead a minute and a half later, and I don’t know how it went. We may have won that one, but I think it was a loss as well; either way that’s not the point.

I was instantly rewarded for my efforts, and I was able to se a marked improvement in performance right away. I had the idea I would put Vstabs on my Hype 58, so I did, and now it works a little better. I know that, because it took me maybe 45 minutes in all and there wasn’t a gap of several days in the experience.

Immensely gratifying.

 

You can’t tell but this little monster has Vstabs now. Also yea, I was wrong. It was Malinowka.

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5.0 – First Impressions

 

five Point O M G

By:

IrmaBecx

 

I likened anticipating update 5.0 to getting to have my birthday all over again, and having now opened all my presents so to speak, I feel it was a fitting metaphor.

I just got done putting the new “Strong Willed” camo on almost all tanks that got it – the only ones who can wear it at the moment but don’t are my Foch (155) “Destroyer”, my Object 140 “Terror”, and of course my little Black Dog. All others are now robins egg green.

You are right, I’ve never heard about that colour either, but I suppose that must be what it is. It has the typical black splotches robin eggs do, only it’s a darkish middle green where you would expect turquoise or cyan.

It does look good on German tanks, and I briefly considered it, but I just can’t do it. I mean it’s my little Black Dog. It has to be black, or neither of us will be happy. I can’t make it wear a green disguise like that

Speaking of the 140, that’s got a new attachment. Not bad looking, only it obstructs the numbers of the “Terror” camo on both sides of the turret. It’s a couple of boxes, a roll of wire, and an infrared light on top. Kind of expensive for something that is purely cosmetic, but I like it all the same, because it’s something to look forward to on a top tier vehicle. Not a lot of those things around, excluding the legendary camouflages.

I opened some slots on my tier II tanks; it’s only 7 or 8000 credits, so what the hey? But having six slots opened now that the update is live doesn’t get you the “Strong Willed” camo; if you didn’t get it already, you missed your chance.

*

So selling off all the regular paint jobs brought a couple of hundred thousand credits, but other than that I still have the same credit buffer I used to.

What happened this update was all my spare part boosters got converted to spare parts, and in the next update they will be converted to credits at the rate of 12 credits per 1 spare part.

It says in the news you’ll be able to exchange your spare parts for credits, gold, and premium time in the “Offers” section of the in-game store, but as of this moment, the store hasn’t updated yet.

When it does update, you’ll be able to get the same exchange rate; 12 to 1, if you convert your spare parts in increments of 100.000. Converting 5000 at a time will get you 60.000 credits, so that’s 10 to 1. EDIT: No, it isn’t. It’s the same, 12 to 1. Too early, Irma?

I’m not sure I care, but if you do, all you have to do is nothing, and when update 5.1 comes around, all your spare parts will become credits at the higher same exchange rate.

*

So that’s the basics taken care of; my garage now full of freshly painted, newly buffed death machines so ready for action they are tugging at their reins.

There’s some new terrain to be explored. I’ve already been there and seen it, but that never compares to once it goes live; the only map I can remember that works pretty much the exact way I thought it would is Alpenstadt.

If I had to guess, new Vineyards will play a lot like old Vineyards did, only some positions will no longer be viable. As far as I recall it’s flatter and more open; symptomatic I suppose of reworked maps, and I’ll be interested to see what that means in terms of camping or playing the rear guard. What Wargaming do is they look at heat maps, and if players always seem to congregate at the exact same points on the map, they will try and rework those positions.

E50 M got buffed. STB-1 as well. My first and second tier X tank ever; that’s an obvious paper I need to write. WZ-120 got buffed; that was already excellent, and now it has more DPM and free camouflage. Also a paper in the making.

Alpenstadt may be my new favourite map. I should write about that as well.

Oh yea, and the Black Dog got buffed. That’s just hilarious, I don’t even know where to start. Paper coming. If you are on your way to getting a free CDC (I failed at that), then that’s been buffed as well. It is now faster, more agile and more robust.

AMX 13.90 got buffed. In the best of all possible worlds, that would be because there is a branch of French Medium tanks coming that would branch off it, but sadly that’s just my wishful thinking. What does seem to be on the horizon though is the AMX M4 mle. 49. Not very hard to guess, it’s in the loading screen next to the 59-Patton and the M4 Revalorisé:

 

Yeah, that’s definitely a French Tiger II on the right

 

I’d like to stress that is a guess at this point. I have no actual information about the AMX M4 49, other than I have seen it on the official Blitz Twitter page back in April, and so I knew it was in development.

From what I have heard, it should play similarly to the Moai tanks; the Duck Mutants or whatever you prefer. The big headed Americans. They both have strong frontal armour, but ony directly from the front. As soon as you get a bit of side angle, their armour is totally weak. You may have heard the M4 49 is a monster on PC, and I’m sure that’s true. But remember with the smaller maps in Blitz, it’s easier for people to get at your sides and rear.

Anyway, enough speculation. Spare part timers are gone. Tanks look good in their new colours. And we got some nice buffs.

 

I would say “business as usual”, but it’s not, is it? I feel like I should be making sure this is still the same game I am playing here…

 

See you out there.

Anticipating 5.0

 

Wily Weazel: WZ-120 and the Game Meta

By:

IrmaBecx

 

I had a look just now, and was surprised to see I have more than four hundred games in my tier IX Chinese heavy Medium tank. Not sure how that happened, exactly.

Usually, I kind of forget about the tier IX tank once I’ve grinded out the tier X. I drove a few games with the 100 mm after the grind, and then there was the 100 vs. 122 mm paper I wrote a few weeks back, but I had no idea I had fought so many battles in the WZ-120.

It makes sense though. It’s a great ride. I know a lot of people don’t like it, but I also know a few who think it’s simply fantastic.

And it’s just a matter of perspective. If you approach the WZ as a variant of the T-54, then that’s about as exciting as it’s going to be for you, and you’ll probably end up running the “wrong” gun on it. But if you try to approach it on its own terms, it’s actually a very singular vehicle.

Medium/Heavy tank hybrids come in two flavours. They are either Heavy tanks that can do Medium tank jobs because they have better than average mobility for Heavy tank; tanks like the WZ-110, the IS-7, IS-5, AMX M4 45, et cetera, or they are Medium tanks that have Heavy tank armour or Heavy tank firepower.

I never liked the term “Heavium”, mainly because I think it led to a lot of misinterpretations. I don’t dispute the fact there are tanks that blend characteristics from both Heavy and Medium tanks, but what that actually means in terms of gameplay is a different matter.

Either way, if the IS-7 is a Heavium, then the WZ-120 is a heavy Medium tank. It’s a Heavy tank turret on a modified Type 59 hull.

From the “glass half empty” perspective, your knockoff T-54 will have a slower reload, less DPM, and a weaker front plate. Also the turret is a little taller, flattening out the turret face, and the front plate isn’t quite as steeply angled.

Where’s the fun in that?

*

If you decide to give the Weazel-120 a chance on its own terms, the “heavy Medium” playstyle isn’t very hard to figure out. It can be tricky to actually execute, but it’s easy to understand your strong points.

First of all, you have excellent mobility. The chassis moves so smoothly, and other than bogging down in mud and water like all Chinese tanks, it’s a flanking machine.

This is very important. Because it’s the key to finding your role.

You are not a Heavy tank. If all you do is trading shots with Heavy tanks from static positions, you will have put yourself at a disadvantage, because your armour isn’t as good as theirs. So to regain some advantage, you have to use your mobility. Keep moving the whole time so you don’t end up playing into their hands; remember you are a Medium tank, even when you are doing Heavy tank things. You are basically lugging around a Heavy tank gun and turret, trying to put cheeky shots in and then relocating before they realise you don’t actually have the rest of the Heavy tank with you.

As a bonus, you also have the best aimtime in your tier. No other tier IX Medium aims as fast as the Weazel, and of course Heavy tanks are nowhere near. Not even the Conqueror. In turn, your accuracy on the move is downright bad. You want to come to a split second stop and let the gun settle; if you do that, the reticule will shrink to nothing in a flash and the shot will go in.

So that’s one of the things I like about the WZ-120. You can’t really compare it to other Medium tanks, because it just doesn’t work the same way. It can work the same way as other Mediums; all you have to do is mount the 100 mm gun. But learning to use a Heavy tank gun in a completely different application than you are used to is part of the fun.

Reverse psychology is super easy. All you do is start thinking differently about things, and you will start acting differently as well.

I touched on this point in my paper on the 100 mm vs. 122 mm question. Ask yourself: why am I driving these tanks in the first place? No matter your answer, sooner or later you are going to get to the WZ-121, so it makes sense to learn the 122 mm plastyle. But more importantly, the WZ-120 is a completely unique vehicle, there simply isn’t anything else out there that even comes close.

*

Next to hunting skill stars for sport, driving the Weazel is the most fun I’ve had in the game for quite a while. Not because it’s so powerful, or because it’s so effective, but because it’s so singular.

Regarded as a knockoff T-54, it’s easy to see the Weazel solely in terms of lack. You look at it, and all you see are its problems. Regarded as a heavy Medium tank, it immediately starts looking much better; and as I said people even manage to find it excellent.

 

 

But it is getting a buff. The reload on the 122 mm 60-122T is shortened by almost a full second, giving you a bit more DPM.

Now, if you ask me or any other Weazel afficionado, they will say it doesn’t need a buff in the first place, and that may well be true. But from a Meta perspective, it makes more sense.

The WZ-120 is a Medium tank. It can distance itself from this role by using its Heavy tank attributes, but it can’t make enemy players not treat it like one. People will bully Medium tanks, and in those situations, the faster firing, higher DPM weapon may end up saving your bacon more times than the 122 would.

The buff should give you about a nine-point-something second reload instead of a ten-point-something depending on your crew skills, and the DPM difference between the guns will be cut in half. That means the inherent differences of the two weapons become more important; things like alpha damage, aimtime, and gun depression. These are now your considerations when choosing between them.

It won’t make the 122 carrying Weazel a monster, but it will make it a little more comfortable to play, because you’ll be able to shoot your way out of a few more situations. You’ll have more opportunities, but it won’t alter your gameplay. The WZ-120 is already what they call a “high risk/high reward” tank, and so getting the shot off a second faster will likely make quite a significant difference in your gameplay.

Anticipating 5.0 some time after midnight tonight, I had one last drive in my unbuffed Weazel, just to have it fresh in memory once the update drops. There are a few other things to look forward to, but for me the Weazel buff is actually going to be the most exciting.

 

See you guys on new Vineyards!

 

 

Monday Poetry Corner

 

The Day The tigers Broke Free

By:

IrmaBecx

 

It seems poetry is contagious. I was asked recently about the nature of poetry; how it differs from lyrics and other writing, and the truth is it doesn’t, really. It also doesn’t necessarily differ a lot from aesthetic experiences in general; consider if you will the phrase “poetry in motion”.

And to be sure, there is poetry to be found in a lot of things. Throwing broadies. The box of death. Hitting the most clutch shot you could ever imagine. But that’s different; that’s all about appreciating the poetic quality of things; it doesn’t really tell us a lot about poetry itself. Indeed, having some kind of understanding of what poetry is is pretty much a prerequisite for that sort of appreciation.

Still, knowing poetry when you see it is quite sufficient. In any case, I don’t think a better understanding of what constitutes actual poetry and what doesn’t, necessarily allows you any greater appreciation of it.

So poetry can be a lot of things. Lyrics is one of them. And I think when it comes to poetry about tanks, in the event we have come across it at all, most of us will have heard songs about tanks rather than poems.

Not to worry, though. All you have to do is disregard the music, and the lyrics become poetry again.

In response to last weeks Poetry Corner, my friend Soulinthemachine alerted me to the following work by Roger Waters. It’s about his father; originally a conscientious objector to the war, getting killed at the battle of Anzio and Waters later finding the letter of condolence from the British government.

This is the story of the 20:th century, of the whole world at war. You’ve heard it before. Husbands, sons and fathers marching off to war and not coming back. Grief, sorrow, and despair.

And this, I think, is the way poetry is most often utilised; as a way to put words to our feelings. The title notwithstanding, this is not actually a poem about tanks, but about a little boy missing his father, and lashing out against the injustice of him being taken from him.

As with art, you’ll know it when you see it:

 

When The Tigers Broke Free

(Roger Waters)

 

It was just before dawn one miserable

Morning in black Forty-Four

When the forward commander was told to sit tight

When he asked that his men be withdrawn

And the Generals gave thanks as the other ranks

Held back the enemy tanks for a while

And the Anzio bridgehead was held for the price

Of a few hundred ordinary lives

 

And kind old King George sent Mother a note

When he heard that Father was gone

It was, I recall, in the form of a scroll

With gold leaf and all

And I found it one day

In a drawer of old photographs, hidden away

And my eyes still grow damp to remember

His Majesty signed with his own rubber stamp

 

It was dark all around, there was frost in the ground

When the Tigers broke free

And no one survived

From the Royal Fusiliers Company Z

They were all left behind

Most of them dead, the rest of them dying

And that’s how the High Command

Took my daddy from me

 

 

Special thanks to Soulinthemachine for this weeks inspiration.

Crate Of The Month: 59-Patton

 

No Hype: The 59-Patton

By:

IrmaBecx

 

So I’m a big fan of Chinese tanks. This is well known. The Hype 59 is one of my best loved and most driven tanks ever.

And it’s a complicated subject. If you own the Hype like me, unless you got really lucky, you paid too much for it, and you should probably have your head examined just like I should.

As far as i understand, with the 59-Patton, there is at least a finite amount of crates it is possible for you to buy before you get the tank even if you don’t get lucky, but that doesn’t change the way I feel about them, and so my position still stands:

Don’t buy crates.

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But in spite of the boxes, This time, I am afraid you are going to have to treat me as a hostile witness.

I love the Type 59. I don’t love the M48 Patton or the M60. Yes, I have the M60, but you can’t see it in my stats, because I never drove it. I was deep into American Mediums a few years ago, and I was so surprised with the tier X Patton when I drove it on my press account. Gun depression and a sturdy mantlet was all I was about back then; this was *before* the huge machine gun hatch was removed.

I suppose I grew out of it. American Tanks aren’t super complicated. They are all about balance between armour, mobility, and firepower, and around tier VII or VIII I just started to think they were boring.

By the time they remodelled the M48 turret, I was way over American Mediums. Doing so arguably made the ”Fatton” the current best all round Medium tank in the game, but the thrill was gone for me. I wanted to drive the Russians instead. I would rather drive the Russians than this bottomless pit of ease and balance. I knew the principle of how the basic Medium playstyle works; working to distill and refine it wasn’t where I wanted to go.

So I dropped some free Wargaming gold that your crate buying paid for and got the Hypetton on my press account. And this is the first instance where you will have to take my inherent hostility against American Medium tanks into account.

I just don’t like the look of it:

 

 

As you know, aesthetics form a big part of tank philosophy for me, and the Hypetton just looks wrong. What happens is, you get a huge, almost mid mounted turret instead of your trusty low slung T-54 knockoff. The actual armouring is thinner, and you have the super obvious weakspot to deal with.

I can tell you it’s not hard to figure out. It’s a familiar target; similar to a lot of American designs. People shoot at it. They hit it. You take damage.

The bulb is offset to your right, so ideally you will want to show them your left side, but either way the turret is noticeably weaker than the Hype 59.

So to offset this obvious weakness, you get a few buffs. Better aimtime. Better accuracy. 200 more DPM. You are working with 220 alpha instead of 280 on a six second reload instead of eight, and you have ten degrees of gun depression instead of eight.

This sounds like a great advantage. Let me explain why it’s not.

If you had a T-54/55 style turret with ten degrees of gun depression instead of eight, no one could touch you. But you don’t. You have ten degrees of gun depression on a large turret on a Medium tank at tier VIII with a huge weakspot on top. That’s average at best.

 

 

So yeah. You can alter your gameplay to take advantage of the 59-Pattons advantages, but it’s never going to be as comfortable and reloable as a Type 59. That is the about as honest as I can be about it.

It’s not that the Hypetton is a bad tank; it’s not. But being a crate tank, even being better than average just isn’t good enough.

If you can drive a tier VIII Medium, there is no actual risk in getting yourself a 59-Patton if you like the look of it, but it’s also not a super exciting tank. Trying my hardest to disregard my inherent biases, the tank is still not ever going to be at the top of its tier. Which is a hard tier to dominate to begin with.

My number one problem with the Hypetton is I don’t like the look of it. But the reasons I don’t like the look of it are also the reasons why it’s not quite as good as the Type 59.

 

IrmaBecx says I am getting tired of saying don’t gamble for crates.

Two Calibers?

 

Skill Star Predator Pt. III

By:

IrmaBecx

 

I got so caught up in the wondrous feeling of turning the tables on the TD meta yesterday, I forgot part II of “Skill Star Predator” was actually supposed to be more practically oriented.

I even forgot to mention I found out something important. It’s called the “two calibre rule”. I kept thinking Xeno had gotten it wrong when he started talking about it, because I had never heard of it. I have heard of the three caliber rule, which states that if the calibre of the shell is more than three times the thickness of the armour, it will penetrate regardless of angle.

Here’s what the two caliber rule says:

“…if the armor the shell hits is less than half of the caliber of the shell, normalization is increased by the following formula: basic normalization * 1.4 * shell caliber / nominal armour thickness. If the shell penetrates due to this rule, it moves on to the damage roll. This rule does not apply to HEAT/HE/HESH.”

So, let’s look again at the side of my Object 140. It has a strip of 80 mm armour along the side, that will void the two caliber rule for almost all guns in the game. At 80 degrees, I have almost 500 mm of effective armour out of those 80 mm:

 

This looks like it would bounce, but it wont because of the two caliber rule

 

But as soon as the side starts to curve outwards, it’s only 57 mm. The 183 will overmatch that. And let’s see what happens to my 500 mm of effective armour with the two caliber rule:

AP shells normalise at 5 degrees. The two calibre rule says 5 degrees times 1.4 times 183 divided by 80, giving us sixteen degrees of normalisation.

A Jägeru wouldn’t be quite so bad. 17 cm isn’t enough to overmatch the upper curvature, but 5 * 1.4 * 170 is still almost fifteen degrees of normalisation. It’s doubtful you’ll ever have enough effective armour to get a bounce, even at sharp angle.

The way it works out is, if you are angling at an extremely shallow angle, almost zero degrees, it’s like you are already angling out sixteen degrees. Looking at the armour model, that practically means there is no way to angle my Object 140 to get a bounce off the side armour from a skill star, because one of the two rules will negate it all.

The problem with saying that, is the quality of the Information we have to work with. I spoke to Minitelrose about all this, and he explained the several problems involved in making an accurate representation of in-game armour models and penetration mechanics, the way Armour Inspector tries to do.

Basically, Wargaming doesn’t give out any information at all. Everything we know has been assembled by players over a period of several years, and so what we see is the best possible representation, but it isn’t always completely accurate. Trying to keep it accurate is a constant struggle, there’s really no way of knowing if you got it right, and even if you did, everything could change completely tomorrow, and no one would tell you about it.

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Which is disheartening, of course. But it also shows us the value of information. The only places I should expect to get a bounce from a skill star is off my severely angled front plate, or the rounded sides of my turret.

There is another lesson to be learned. 183 / 2 is 91.5, meaning if you have 92 mm of armour somewhere – that’s 92 mm of actual armour thickness; not effective armour thickness, you will be safe from both the two and three caliber rules for all guns in the game.

Consider that for your side scrapers. Less than 91 mm means you will sometimes be around 15 degrees further out than you though you were. For 122 mm guns, the number is 62 mm; less than that, and you can add 14 degrees to your side scrape angle.

So yeah. Important knowledge. I should start paying more attention to learning my armour thicknesses on various tanks, and which guns I therefore need to watch out for. For the biggest guns in the game, it’s basically two numbers to remember: 62 and 92. that’s the limit beyond which you only have the regular 5 degree normalisation to deal with from a 122 or a 183 mm shell, respectively.

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There is yet another lesson here about how completely bullshXt the skill star is for just negating peoples armour like that, and especially my magnificent Object 140, but I think we all heard that one before. I already knew the skill star is bull. The fact it’s even more bull than I thought it was doesn’t exactly alter my position on it. I just kind of sigh at that.

But learning about the two caliber rule, trying to work out what it means to me in practice, and how I need to alter my gameplay to avoid it; that’s the kind of stuff that makes me sit up and pay attention. I never used to like maths at school, but that’s because I didn’t always see a practical application. I don’t mind it at all now.

There is more to learn. I have a Foch 155, for example. That means less than 77,5 mm of enemy armour, and I will get the extra normalisation. Time to check some of my targets. Oh, and I have a few 130 mm guns as well. That means less than 65 mm, and so on.

This may seem like mere details, and in the grand scheme of things, yes; that’s what it is. But important details. The kind of stuff you need to know, things that should inform your gameplay, just like the overmatch mechanic.

And knowing why you got wrecked may not make you feel any better, although I do sometimes find that to be true. But the point is it will put you in a much better position to learn from your mistakes; they are of course easier to avoid once you know what they were in the first place.

 

Death to the skill star!