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  • Shawn Milochik
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    Re: spam update

    On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:23 AM, <[email protected] wrote:
    With some help from the python.org postmasters over the weekend I figured
    out why some seemingly obvious spam messages seem to be making it to the
    [email protected] mailing list. Messages gatewayed from Usenet don't
    pass through the spam filters. Mailman simply distributes them. There is
    still no resolution, but at least I understand the cause now. For now,
    mailing list users please be patient as we try to resolve this issue.
    >
    Thanks,
    >
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    >
    It's like the never-ending story. This exact explanation was given to
    the list over six months ago (in April) , along with the message that
    there's nothing that we can do about it. Actually, it's not the
    "exact" explanation -- it was narrowed down to posts from Google
    Groups, rather than Usenet in general.

    At the time there was a lot of chatter on the list about people
    "plonking" posts from Google Groups. That's "a" solution, if that's
    where the spam comes from, but it penalizes the legitimate users who
    don't subscribe to the mailing list.

    Just for what it's worth. This is an ongoing problem (although it used
    to be much worse), and it's a shame that we're going in circles.

    Shawn
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    • Grant Edwards
      #2
      Re: spam update

      On 2008-11-19, Shawn Milochik <Shawn@milochik .comwrote:
      At the time there was a lot of chatter on the list about
      people "plonking" posts from Google Groups. That's "a"
      solution, if that's where the spam comes from, but it
      penalizes the legitimate users who don't subscribe to the
      mailing list.
      Not really. It doesn't penalize people like me who don't
      subscribe to the list, but post from other (properly run)
      Usenet servers. It does penalizes legitimate users who post
      from Google Groups. They've made the choice to use the same
      posting conduit as spammers, and presumably they know the
      consequences.

      There are plenty of free Usenet servers out there, and if one
      is not allowed NNTP access or can't figure out how to do
      anything that's not presented via a web page, then one can
      always post from gmane.org.

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        • Grant Edwards
          #3
          Re: spam update

          On 2008-11-20, News123 <[email protected] rwrote:
          I didn't know aboug gmane.
          The UI isn't as fancy as Google's, but it's a way of separating
          yourself from the spammers.
          Finding a solution which doesn't penalize gmail users is still
          a good idea I think.
          Of course. One problem is that Google doesn't seem to be
          interested in doing anything about the problem.

          I tried to come up with filter patterns that would filter out
          the spam coming from GoogleGroups, but it's a constantly moving
          target: filters that work well today, don't work well tomorrow.

          I finally gave up and filtered out anything posted from google. :/

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