object as a reserved keyword

Re: object as a reserved keyword

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:29:03 +0200, Lawrence Oluyede <[email protected] m>
wrote:
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>I'd like to avoid oddities like this:[/color]

I just noticed that it's the same thing with other builtin types such
as list, dict and so on... Hope anyone exlpain me the reason to that.
Maybe is beyond my views...

Lawrence

Re: object as a reserved keyword

Lawrence Oluyede wrote:
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> Does it worth to make "object" keyword a reserved one?
> I'd like to avoid oddities like this:[/color]

It's no different from overriding any of the builtins with a
non-standard value:
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>>> int = float
>>> float = str
>>> str = lambda x: none
>>> str = lambda x: None
>>> file = 'elif'[/color][/color][/color]

If someone wants to be abusive, he can. The idea behind Python is that
everyone will behave like adults, so there's little need to worry about
these kinds of things.

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Re: object as a reserved keyword

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:39:07 -0700, Erik Max Francis <[email protected] m>
wrote:
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>If someone wants to be abusive, he can. The idea behind Python is that
>everyone will behave like adults, so there's little need to worry about
>these kinds of things.[/color]

Yeah, thanks. Is this kind of idea that I'm not used to

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Re: object as a reserved keyword

On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 04:29, Lawrence Oluyede wrote:[color=blue]
> Does it worth to make "object" keyword a reserved one?
> I'd like to avoid oddities like this:
>
> Python 2.3c1 (#44, Jul 18 2003, 14:32:36) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
> on win32
> Type "help", "copyright" , "credits" or "license" for more information.[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> class c(object): pass[/color][/color]
> ...[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> object = 4
> >>> class c(object): pass[/color][/color]
> ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> TypeError: int() takes at most 2 arguments (3 given)[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>[/color][/color][/color]

That's not odd or even bad... so you get an exception. That can happen
all the time when you do silly things. Now...

class object: pass

*That* would be bad, cause later on you'll do...


class Whatever(object ):
...
x = property(get_x, set_x)

I can totally imagine going nuts trying to figure out what went wrong
with that...

Ian

Re: object as a reserved keyword

In article <vtnkhvoqcet2bg meidae1st46m7q9 [email protected]>,
Lawrence Oluyede <[email protected] m> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>Does it worth to make "object" keyword a reserved one?[/color]

Maybe. Python strives for a minimal syntax. Many identifiers that
would be keywords in other languages are simply names in the builtin
namespace.
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Re: object as a reserved keyword

Lawrence Oluyede <[email protected] m> wrote in message news:<7dokhvgv1 2fdbha8sun6c6q6 58cth5uq2c@4ax. com>...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:29:03 +0200, Lawrence Oluyede <[email protected] m>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >I'd like to avoid oddities like this:[/color]
>
> I just noticed that it's the same thing with other builtin types such
> as list, dict and so on... Hope anyone ex[pl]ain me the reason to that.
> Maybe is beyond my views...[/color]

I understand his problem.

When I write in other languages and need a meaningless variable name,
I tend to use an abbreviation for the variable's type.

public void foo(String str) {/* ... */}
public void foo(List list) {/* ... */}

As you can see, this convention doesn't carry over very well to
Python.

Re: object as a reserved keyword

Quoth Mel Wilson:
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> Plus it's not impossible that somebody could export a
> name in the set of standard names from a module or a
> class and accomplish something useful. I'm having trouble
> finding a convincing example, [...][/color]

re.compile()

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