'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

Well, the target PC must have the JRE installed for it to run java apps.
Once it is installed (the JRE is +/- 10 Megs), the path must be setup so
that the commands are recognized.

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

"PC" <PeterChristens [email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:c14b3497.0 309140312.14d35 [email protected] gle.com...
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> If I would like to send my JavaProg.jar to a friend of mine, who is using
> Windows XP, what should I tell him to do? With a normal Windows XP setup,
> he does not have the JAVA-command or the JAR-file association to JAVAW,
> as I have with my SDK installed. Wouldn't he be able to run my application
> with the VM from the Windows XP installation, or would he really have to
> download a really BIG file with a new VM first? I guess that there MUST
> be a full Java 2 VMto both applets and applications with Windows XP. But
> what should we do to run this JAR-application on it?[/color]

Use JSmooth. It creates a .exe from your .jar, which will take care of
finding and running the adequate JVM on your friend's computer.
It's available on http://jsmooth.sourceforge.net

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

Thanks for the link. It's working fine, and the EXE-file from JSmooth
has a reasonable size. I guess that JSmooth will always be able to
find a Java 2 VM on Windows XP.

/PC

"R" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<bk2ke3$ck [email protected] .fr>...[color=blue]
> "PC" <PeterChristens [email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> news:c14b3497.0 309140312.14d35 [email protected] gle.com...
>[color=green]
> > If I would like to send my JavaProg.jar to a friend of mine, who is using
> > Windows XP, what should I tell him to do? With a normal Windows XP setup,
> > he does not have the JAVA-command or the JAR-file association to JAVAW,
> > as I have with my SDK installed. Wouldn't he be able to run my application
> > with the VM from the Windows XP installation, or would he really have to
> > download a really BIG file with a new VM first? I guess that there MUST
> > be a full Java 2 VMto both applets and applications with Windows XP. But
> > what should we do to run this JAR-application on it?[/color]
>
> Use JSmooth. It creates a .exe from your .jar, which will take care of
> finding and running the adequate JVM on your friend's computer.
> It's available on http://jsmooth.sourceforge.net[/color]

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

"Peter Christensen" <PeterChristens [email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:c14b3497.0 309160328.31b82 [email protected] gle.com...
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> Thanks for the link. It's working fine, and the EXE-file from JSmooth
> has a reasonable size. I guess that JSmooth will always be able to
> find a Java 2 VM on Windows XP.[/color]

No, indeed. The first version of Windows XP was released without any JVM
inside. Later on, Microsoft started to bundle their JView runtime with XP.
However, AFAIK, JView is only a 1.1.4 JVM. Which means any version above
won't work, and swing, of course, is not supported.

If you have tried JSmooth on your own computer, it probably detected a Sun
JVM installed somewhere. On a clean Windows XP installation, it will display
an alert and propose the user to download a JVM.

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

"R" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<bk7ooj$78 [email protected] .fr>...[color=blue]
> "Peter Christensen" <PeterChristens [email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> news:c14b3497.0 309160328.31b82 [email protected] gle.com...
>[color=green]
> > Thanks for the link. It's working fine, and the EXE-file from JSmooth
> > has a reasonable size. I guess that JSmooth will always be able to
> > find a Java 2 VM on Windows XP.[/color]
>
> No, indeed. The first version of Windows XP was released without any JVM
> inside. Later on, Microsoft started to bundle their JView runtime with XP.
> However, AFAIK, JView is only a 1.1.4 JVM. Which means any version above
> won't work, and swing, of course, is not supported.
>
> If you have tried JSmooth on your own computer, it probably detected a Sun
> JVM installed somewhere. On a clean Windows XP installation, it will display
> an alert and propose the user to download a JVM.[/color]

Yes, it detected the 1.4.1 JVM from my 'Sun ONE Starter Kit (06/03)'
CD-ROM set. -Slightly a bit lower than the 1.4.2 that can be
downloaded from Sun's site today. I'm surpriced that Win XP can ONLY
run 1.1.4 without the javax.swing packages and all the other from Java
2.

I guess that it is a security rather than a technical issue. We also
have a lot of dialogs and file-operations in Swing and JFC. Maybe to
easy to trick a common user to start something, that could be infected
with virus or something like this.

/PC

-Another thing, that is also quite surprising to me, is that mt ISP
doesn't even support the Microsoft.publi c.* groups, so that I have to
use GGC (Groups.Google. Com) to read/write groups like
'microsoft.publ ic.windows', 'microsoft.publ ic.java' or
'microsoft.publ ic.xbox'. The ISP (in DK/Denmark) has more that 30.000
groups, and obviously much of this is completely useless junk! -I
thought that Microsoft Windows/XBox and Java (2) was among the most
common subjects in the 'COMP' world. -But nothing about XP/XB or MS
Java from my ISP! ?:->)

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

hi there
ye your friend needs JavaRuntimEnvir onment (JRE) installed on his
comp.
JRE was designed for end users & JSDK was designed for developers.
i wrote a small program in C based on some online tutorial which you
can associate with .class file & on double clickin any .class file it
would invoke java with that .class file
currently i did not provide for other command line arguments
but if you want i can mail you the current version.
(requires java.exe to be present in directory PATH variable holds)

it was really annoying to write a program & invoke through command
prompt(when you dont have IDE available) so i found this tut online n
wrote it.

now ill try to improve it by recognizing .jar files & invoking
accordingly

regards
amey
[color=blue]
> On the other hand, if we have what we need to run an application from a
> JAR-file, why isn't there made some association to JAR-files as a standard
> on Windows XP? -Or maybe it is just my setup, there is something wrong with?
>
> Would be really glad, if someone had a simple solution on this problem.
>
> /PC[/color]

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

"Peter Christensen" <PeterChristens [email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:c14b3497.0 309172240.4818b [email protected] gle.com...
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> downloaded from Sun's site today. I'm surpriced that Win XP can ONLY
> run 1.1.4 without the javax.swing packages and all the other from Java
> 2.
> I guess that it is a security rather than a technical issue. We also[/color]

This is neither a security nor a technical issue. This is a political issue.
Microsoft decided not to support anymore Java, and even removed it from XP.
After a lawsuit from Sun's, they finally added their JView, but it's only a
1.1.4 vm.

However, your desktop vendor may have bundled a J2SE JRE with your computer,
for instance HP and Dell support java and include a JRE by default. Most of
the windows user though still need to download a java vm in order to run
j2se applications.

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

[email protected] om (Amey Samant) wrote in message news:<669e50b8. 0309190900.1a03 [email protected] ogle.com>...[color=blue]
> hi there
> ye your friend needs JavaRuntimEnvir onment (JRE) installed on his
> comp.
> JRE was designed for end users & JSDK was designed for developers.
> i wrote a small program in C based on some online tutorial which you
> can associate with .class file & on double clickin any .class file it
> would invoke java with that .class file
> currently i did not provide for other command line arguments
> but if you want i can mail you the current version.
> (requires java.exe to be present in directory PATH variable holds)[/color]

Thanks, but it would not solve the problem with no J2VM on Windows XP.
I thought that there was, but that there was something to configure
first before it could be used.

Regards,

PC
[color=blue]
> it was really annoying to write a program & invoke through command
> prompt(when you dont have IDE available) so i found this tut online n
> wrote it.
>
> now ill try to improve it by recognizing .jar files & invoking
> accordingly[/color]

Sounds interesting. Could be something like JAVAW.exe from the SDK. -I
must admit that I'm not sure about it, but I think that the SDK from
MS should also have the JAVAW.exe command. -And that it should
automaticaly be associated with JAR-files when the SDK is installed. I
think that I used it a few years ago with a MS J++ SDK and a trial
copy of Visual Studio. But I could have mixed it somehow with the
setup from another SDK from Sun.
[color=blue]
>
> regards
> amey
>[color=green]
> > On the other hand, if we have what we need to run an application from a
> > JAR-file, why isn't there made some association to JAR-files as a standard
> > on Windows XP? -Or maybe it is just my setup, there is something wrong with?
> >
> > Would be really glad, if someone had a simple solution on this problem.
> >
> > /PC[/color][/color]

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

Hi everyone!

Maybe you can find what you need at this site: http://www.virtualmachine.tk

Staffan

"Peter Christensen" <PeterChristens [email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:c14b3497.0 309200308.4f22e [email protected] gle.com...[color=blue]
> [email protected] om (Amey Samant) wrote in message[/color]
news:<669e50b8. 0309190900.1a03 [email protected] ogle.com>...[color=blue][color=green]
> > hi there
> > ye your friend needs JavaRuntimEnvir onment (JRE) installed on his
> > comp.
> > JRE was designed for end users & JSDK was designed for developers.
> > i wrote a small program in C based on some online tutorial which you
> > can associate with .class file & on double clickin any .class file it
> > would invoke java with that .class file
> > currently i did not provide for other command line arguments
> > but if you want i can mail you the current version.
> > (requires java.exe to be present in directory PATH variable holds)[/color]
>
> Thanks, but it would not solve the problem with no J2VM on Windows XP.
> I thought that there was, but that there was something to configure
> first before it could be used.
>
> Regards,
>
> PC
>[color=green]
> > it was really annoying to write a program & invoke through command
> > prompt(when you dont have IDE available) so i found this tut online n
> > wrote it.
> >
> > now ill try to improve it by recognizing .jar files & invoking
> > accordingly[/color]
>
> Sounds interesting. Could be something like JAVAW.exe from the SDK. -I
> must admit that I'm not sure about it, but I think that the SDK from
> MS should also have the JAVAW.exe command. -And that it should
> automaticaly be associated with JAR-files when the SDK is installed. I
> think that I used it a few years ago with a MS J++ SDK and a trial
> copy of Visual Studio. But I could have mixed it somehow with the
> setup from another SDK from Sun.
>[color=green]
> >
> > regards
> > amey
> >[color=darkred]
> > > On the other hand, if we have what we need to run an application from[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > JAR-file, why isn't there made some association to JAR-files as a[/color][/color][/color]
standard[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > on Windows XP? -Or maybe it is just my setup, there is something wrong[/color][/color][/color]
with?[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Would be really glad, if someone had a simple solution on this[/color][/color][/color]
problem.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > > /PC[/color][/color][/color]

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

Thanks.

I must admit, that I didn't know that there was this conflict between
Sun MicroSystems and MicroSoft, when I started this thread about
JAVA.exe and JAVAW.exe. I now know, that the whole J2RE is 'missing'
on Windows XP and that the only thing we have is an 'older' version of
Java under the command JView.

My user must update his VM to Java 2 first, else he can't run Java 2
programs on Windows XP. We do not have jawax.swing with Win XP, but
there is another package called Windows Foundations Classes (WFC) in
com.ms.WFC and so on...

It's not a big problem for me, as I'm not working and any major
program or something commmersial at all. I'm just studying the Java
language and working on my own programs. -And I can just let the
friend have the VM from one of my CD-ROMS. That's no problem.

But I could imagine, that somebody making programs with Java 2 in a
more professional or commersial way, could be very dissapointed about
this problem!

/PC

"Staffan Wrange" <swrange@telia. com> wrote in message news:<z6nbb.254 87$mU6.58608@ne wsb.telia.net>. ..[color=blue]
> Hi everyone!
>
> Maybe you can find what you need at this site: http://www.virtualmachine.tk
>
> Staffan
>
> "Peter Christensen" <PeterChristens [email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:c14b3497.0 309200308.4f22e [email protected] gle.com...[color=green]
> > [email protected] om (Amey Samant) wrote in message[/color]
> news:<669e50b8. 0309190900.1a03 [email protected] ogle.com>...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > hi there
> > > ye your friend needs JavaRuntimEnvir onment (JRE) installed on his
> > > comp.
> > > JRE was designed for end users & JSDK was designed for developers.
> > > i wrote a small program in C based on some online tutorial which you
> > > can associate with .class file & on double clickin any .class file it
> > > would invoke java with that .class file
> > > currently i did not provide for other command line arguments
> > > but if you want i can mail you the current version.
> > > (requires java.exe to be present in directory PATH variable holds)[/color]
> >
> > Thanks, but it would not solve the problem with no J2VM on Windows XP.
> > I thought that there was, but that there was something to configure
> > first before it could be used.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > PC
> >[color=darkred]
> > > it was really annoying to write a program & invoke through command
> > > prompt(when you dont have IDE available) so i found this tut online n
> > > wrote it.
> > >
> > > now ill try to improve it by recognizing .jar files & invoking
> > > accordingly[/color]
> >
> > Sounds interesting. Could be something like JAVAW.exe from the SDK. -I
> > must admit that I'm not sure about it, but I think that the SDK from
> > MS should also have the JAVAW.exe command. -And that it should
> > automaticaly be associated with JAR-files when the SDK is installed. I
> > think that I used it a few years ago with a MS J++ SDK and a trial
> > copy of Visual Studio. But I could have mixed it somehow with the
> > setup from another SDK from Sun.
> >[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > regards
> > > amey
> > >
> > > > On the other hand, if we have what we need to run an application from[/color][/color]
> a[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > JAR-file, why isn't there made some association to JAR-files as a[/color][/color]
> standard[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > on Windows XP? -Or maybe it is just my setup, there is something wrong[/color][/color]
> with?[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > Would be really glad, if someone had a simple solution on this[/color][/color]
> problem.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > /PC[/color][/color][/color]

Re: 'JAVA' and 'JAVAW' on Windows XP standard VM?

"R" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<bkfp3f$va [email protected] .fr>...[color=blue]
> "Peter Christensen" <PeterChristens [email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> news:c14b3497.0 309172240.4818b [email protected] gle.com...
>[color=green]
> > downloaded from Sun's site today. I'm surpriced that Win XP can ONLY
> > run 1.1.4 without the javax.swing packages and all the other from Java
> > 2.
> > I guess that it is a security rather than a technical issue. We also[/color]
>
> This is neither a security nor a technical issue. This is a political issue.
> Microsoft decided not to support anymore Java, and even removed it from XP.
> After a lawsuit from Sun's, they finally added their JView, but it's only a
> 1.1.4 vm.[/color]

I understand. There is probably a very BIG interest for MicroSoft to
have their own Java on Windows XP. Many J++ programs can only be run
on Windows-XP-Java and other Java 2 programs need an additional
software package (from MS) to run under Windows. Probably there is
very much to earn this way.

I found some other JAR -> EXE conversion programs, for example from
XLSoft.com and Exe4J.com. I would need something like these Java (2)
-> Windows (XP) products to make my program run under Windows XP.
-Otherwise I would have to use MicroSofts Visual J++ instead of my SDK
from SUN. -But i haven't seen a SDK from MS. I was looking on MSDN
under J++ yesterday, and I couldn't find any SDK. -I know, that I had
a SDK from MS a few years ago!

But maybe there is no free SDK available anymore?
[color=blue]
> However, your desktop vendor may have bundled a J2SE JRE with your computer,
> for instance HP and Dell support java and include a JRE by default. Most of
> the windows user though still need to download a java vm in order to run
> j2se applications.[/color]

I will use the solution like JSmooth. I will continue with my Java 2,
and then use the Windows XP version of the J2RE from Sun as a
platform. My user must just download the J2VM from www.Java.com or
by/have it on a CD-ROM.

Or maybe one could go down to Jviews 1.1.4 Java for some applications.
-And then work without javax.swing and all the other J2 features. I
don't know if I can make the 1.4.1 compiler from SUN make Java 1.1
output suitable for JView.

I guess that many must have these problems.