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_qsa_mqa_paged_kernel scores every row against the full page-table width (max_model_len / 4 = 65,600 columns), regardless of how many are visible. In a 32K prefill profile on MI325X it takes 43% of GPU time. This PR skips columns past each request's visible range and scores 16 rows x 64 keys per program with tl.dot.

For decode with one query row per request (no MTP, no prefill) the 16-row tile is mostly padding. At 262K context with one row it took 9.4 us against 6.3 us for the old one-row kernel (scoring kernel only). On gfx942, batches of at most 32 such rows now use the old one-row kernel plus the same skip of invisible column blocks.

Dispatch

qsa_mqa_paged(..., single_row_decode=True) uses the one-row kernel when all of these hold:

  • the caller sets single_row_decode. QSAIndexer._select sets it from QSAForwardMetadata: num_prefills == 0 and decode_query_len == 1. Both are host values, so there is no device sync, and the choice is fixed when a CUDA graph is captured.
  • at most 32 rows. The crossover against the tiled kernel on MI325X is about 32 rows at 32K to 98K context.
  • the platform is gfx942.

Prefill, mixed prefill/decode, MTP decode (4 rows per request) and other architectures use the tiled kernel. The one-row kernel is correct for any row-to-request mapping, so a wrong flag costs speed only.

Performance (MI325X, qsa_select_paged_tokens)

Full selection (score + top-k + expand), microseconds. 65,600 columns, top-k 2048, 4 heads, head_dim 128, page size 400. CUDA events over 200 back-to-back calls, median of 5. "First revision" is the tiled kernel alone (this PR before the one-row path). 4 rows per request = MTP with 3 draft tokens.

context batch x rows main first revision this PR
32K 16 x 1 68.9 66.2 62.5
32K 64 x 1 203.3 74.9 75.4
32K 64 x 4 751.1 76.7 76.7
98K 16 x 1 82.9 84.1 66.2
98K 64 x 1 255.2 162.2 162.1
98K 64 x 4 839.2 171.8 173.2
262K 1 x 1 62.7 64.1 62.9
262K 4 x 1 67.4 74.7 67.4
262K 16 x 1 117.1 127.8 117.6
262K 64 x 1 353.3 367.6 367.7
262K 4 x 4 113.5 76.2 76.2
262K 64 x 4 1053.2 413.5 413.6

Full selection, 32K prefill: 90.7 -> 4.58 ms (first revision; prefill uses the same tiled kernel here).

Scoring kernel only (GPU time from the profiler, microseconds)

torch.profiler kernel duration of qsa_mqa_paged alone: no launch, top-k or expand. Median of 3 runs. This is what a CUDA graph replay pays for scoring. It is a different measurement from the table above; the two are not interchangeable.

context batch x rows main first revision this PR
32K 1 x 1 6.0 6.1 3.6
32K 4 x 1 14.5 12.9 6.5
32K 16 x 1 45.5 44.0 21.6
32K 32 x 1 93.7 48.9 43.5
32K 64 x 1 201.1 51.6 51.9
32K 128 x 1 416.9 84.7 83.6
32K 4 x 4 45.5 13.1 13.1
32K 64 x 4 743.8 51.7 51.5
98K 1 x 1 6.0 7.4 4.4
98K 4 x 1 14.5 15.1 8.7
98K 16 x 1 51.0 51.1 34.1
98K 32 x 1 100.6 64.2 65.2
98K 64 x 1 245.5 144.4 151.2
98K 128 x 1 515.6 280.8 275.3
98K 4 x 4 51.3 16.1 15.9
98K 64 x 4 823.3 150.1 143.7
262K 1 x 1 6.1 9.4 6.3
262K 4 x 1 18.7 25.4 18.8
262K 16 x 1 62.8 78.8 63.3
262K 32 x 1 158.9 178.8 157.5
262K 64 x 1 317.9 335.8 346.4
262K 128 x 1 688.3 682.1 674.3
262K 4 x 4 59.2 26.6 26.7
262K 64 x 4 1009.7 367.6 366.9

Rows beyond 32 use the tiled kernel in both revisions, so differences there (for example 98K 64 x 1, 144.4 vs 151.2) are run-to-run spread, about 10 to 15 us at these sizes.

End-to-end TPOT (1 x MI325X, TP1, no MTP)

vLLM v0.32.0 image with this qsa.py mounted (and the 3-line indexer_qsa.py change for this revision), FULL_DECODE_ONLY CUDA graphs, 384 output tokens, a unique prompt of the listed length per request. TPOT is measured over the window in which all requests of the cell are decoding. Median of 3 interleaved rounds, ms/token. Run B repeats three cells with the three builds moved to different GPUs.

run context concurrency main first revision this PR
A 86K 1 8.05 8.09 8.08
A 89K 4 11.11 11.17 11.06
A 88K 8 14.68 14.74 14.62
A 211K 1 8.32 8.37 8.35
A 207K 4 11.33 11.35 11.34
B 88K 8 14.71 14.74 14.51
B 211K 1 8.34 8.37 8.34
B 207K 4 11.35 11.36 11.31

This PR minus main is -0.20 to +0.03 ms across the 8 cells, 6 of them within 0.06. The largest gap (-0.20, run B, 88K x 8) is 0.11 ms between this PR's own runs A and B (14.62 vs 14.51), so the builds are equal within measurement spread and no cell shows a regression. The runs cover at most 8 concurrent requests; none covers 262K x 64 or the MTP path.

End-to-end, TP2 + EP2, MTP 3, head 404857c (MI325X, vLLM nightly, ROCm 10.0)

Both columns use the same image, model, GPUs and flags. Image: vllm/vllm-openai-rocm:nightly-76c6f3f2a95f6049657db1e513133b824a5c8175 (sha256:4c92e167b9b4739e9c7181ae384fafc2b8e6da0de9ddef7c4829ce0d581b12eb, main at 76c6f3f, ROCm 10.0). "This PR" mounts qsa.py and qsa_indexer.py with the two commits cherry-picked onto that commit (no conflicts); the file hashes were checked inside the containers. Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-FP8 (revision 236dfdf2), 2x MI325X, --tensor-parallel-size 2 --enable-expert-parallel, MTP with 3 draft tokens, VLLM_ROCM_USE_AITER=1 VLLM_ROCM_USE_AITER_MOE=1 VLLM_ROCM_USE_AITER_CUSTOM_AR=0, FULL_DECODE_ONLY, max-num-seqs 64, max-num-batched-tokens 32768. QuickReduce off, no tuned MoE table. One boot per column on the same GPU pair, median of 3 passes, unique prompt per request.

metric main this PR (404857c)
prefill 1 x 32K (tok/s) 11,663 19,850
prefill 8 x 32K (tok/s) 11,907 21,541
decode c64 (tok/s) 2,297 3,275
16 agents, 32K context: cold TTFT p50 (s) 29.3 16.3
8 agents, 96K context: wall (s) 80.2 47.4
decode, 16 x 32K context: TPOT p50 (ms) 49.3 29.6
decode, 64 x 32K context: TPOT p50 (ms) 189.6 110.1
GSM8K-200 0.965 0.970

Ranges (min-max of the 3 passes): prefill 8 x 32K main 11,907 [11,715-12,098], this PR 21,541 [18,962-21,590]; decode c64 main 2,297 [2,272-2,298], this PR 3,275 [3,255-3,297]. GSM8K-200 has a standard error of about 1.2 points.

The 32K-context decode rows start all requests together, so their TPOT includes the other requests' prefill chunks. Ranges cover the 3 passes of one boot, not boot-to-boot spread.

These runs use MTP, so decode goes through the tiled kernel. The one-row path (second commit) is not exercised here. Head 348ca71 changes only a test assertion; the kernel is the same as at 404857c, which is what was measured.

First revision on v0.32.0, TP2 + EP, MTP 3 (historical)

These were measured on the first revision with the v0.32.0 image. They are not comparable with the table above (different image and ROCm). The MTP path (4 rows per request) uses the same tiled kernel in this revision, and the 4-row microbenchmark rows above are unchanged from the first revision.

metric main first revision
prefill 1 x 32K (tok/s) 11,726 19,762
prefill 8 x 32K (tok/s) 11,486 20,987
decode c64 (tok/s) 2,167 3,023
16 agents, 32K context: cold TTFT p50 (s) 30.0 17.0
8 agents, 96K context: wall (s) 81.6 50.4
GSM8K-200 0.970 0.965

Trade-offs

  • 262K context, 64 requests x 1 row, no MTP: full selection 353.3 -> 367.7 us (+14.4 us, +4%); scoring kernel alone 317.9 -> 346.4 us (+28.5 us, +9%). More than 32 rows use the tiled kernel, so this matches the first revision (367.6 us full selection, 335.8 us scoring). Run-to-run spread is about 10 to 15 us. These are microbenchmarks; no end-to-end run covers this shape.
  • The TP2 tests never reach 64 x 262K: the KV cache holds about 9.35M tokens per replica and 64 x 262K = 16.8M. Deployments with more KV can.
  • The 32-row limit is where the one-row and tiled kernels break even on MI325X at 32K and 98K context (32 x 1 scoring: 43.5 vs 48.9 us at 32K, 65.2 vs 64.2 us at 98K). At 262K the one-row path is level with the old kernel below 32 rows rather than faster than the tiled one.

Validation

pytest tests/models/qwen4_exp/test_qsa_amd.py   # MI325X, nightly-76c6f3f2 base: 46 passed at head 348ca71

New tests, bf16 and fp16 where relevant:

  • one decode row per request (1, 5, 32, 33 requests, lengths ending mid-page) against a torch reference on visible columns; asserts which kernel ran (rows <= 32 use the one-row kernel).
  • every fresh logits buffer filled with NaN: selected indices equal the tiled kernel's, so top-k reads only [0, visible_blocks).
  • CUDA graph capture of the one-row path, then replay with new queries and lengths written in place, against the eager tiled path.
  • _select sets single_row_decode from metadata: decode, mixed prefill/decode, spec decode (query length 4), empty.

Mutation check: moving the visible bound by one column in the one-row kernel fails 6 of the 8 decode-row tests (the other two are the 33-row cases that use the tiled kernel). The first revision's tests (mixed prefill/decode block spanning requests, partial page, empty rows, three mutations) still pass. ruff check and ruff format (0.14.0) are clean.

Head 348ca71 changes one assertion in the CUDA graph replay test. It compared the selected indices exactly, but top-k emits the selected blocks in unspecified order (it differs between identical launches), so it now compares each row as a set (analysis in this comment). The exact comparison failed in 3 of 100 and 2 of 40 fresh-process runs on MI325X (about half of the runs on MI300X, see the comment); with the set comparison it passed 100 of 100 and 40 of 40 on MI325X. No kernel change since 404857c.

GSM8K-200, TP1, no MTP, 16 concurrent: main 0.970, this PR 0.975. Smoke test only; n=200 cannot resolve a one-problem difference.

First revision, not re-run for the one-row path: selected indices match main except at exact score ties (0.0 after ReLU), identical rows 0.9965-1.0 across prefill, mixed and decode shapes, index overlap 1.00000. On MI300X with head 404857c, the block sets matched stock in 23 of 24 cases; in the other one block differed at the top-k boundary, where a 1-ulp accumulation-order difference made two scores exactly equal, so the tie-break decided (see the MI300X comment).

Details

  • Rows are request-major, so a 16-row block usually shares one page table and loads the key tile once for all rows and heads. A block that spans requests loops over them; each request skips column blocks past its own visible range.
  • The one-row kernel is the pre-PR kernel body (.to(tl.float32) on keys and queries) with an early return for column blocks at or past the row's visible count.
  • The dot runs in fp16 for fp16 inputs ([Model][ROCm] qwen4_exp: serve the AMD path in fp16 #60650) and bf16 otherwise, which is exact for the fp8 cache in [ROCm][Qwen4Exp] Enable fp8 KV and indexer caches on the AMD QSA path #61529. fp32 inputs, which no caller passes, would also use bf16.
  • Logits past visible_blocks[row] are not written. The only consumer, top_k_per_row_decode, reads [0, visible_blocks[row]).
  • The NVIDIA indexer in nvidia/ops/qsa_indexer.py is not reusable here: it needs split prefill/decode metadata and the CUDA-only top-k.
  • Local benchmarks are on gfx942 (MI325X). On gfx950 (MI355X), the tiled kernel delivered 1.61× geometric-mean output throughput across 12 end-to-end cases in @mjkvaak-amd's tests, with no observed accuracy regression. MI300X (gfx942) kernel numbers are in this comment.

Related work: #59437 (draft) adds an opt-in AITER FlyDSL backend for QSA scoring and top-k (VLLM_ROCM_QSA_FLYDSL=1). This PR optimizes the existing Triton scoring path on gfx942, which that backend replaces when the flag is set and falls back to. The two are independent, but both edit QSAIndexer._select.


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Adding MI355X (gfx950) numbers, since the description notes gfx950 perf is unmeasured. On Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Quark-MXFP4 at TP2: 1.61× output throughput (geomean over 12 points) with the same accuracy.

Setup. vllm/vllm-openai-rocm:nightly-df3bd094 vs the same image + this PR @e92b151 (the nightly's ops/qsa.py is this PR's parent). Model-card recipe: VLLM_ROCM_USE_AITER=1, fused shared experts, bf16 KV and indexer caches, no MTP, no prefix caching.

Unit test. test_qsa_amd.py: 18 passed on MI355X.

Kernel (1 GPU; Flash-Next indexer: 4 heads, head dim 128, ratio 4, top-k 2048, bf16). "select" is qsa_select_paged_tokens; mean per-row overlap of the selected sets vs main is ≥ 0.99999 in every case.

case select main (ms) select PR (ms) speedup
prefill 32K 83.8 5.20 16×
16K chunk at 96K 42.4 3.83 11×
decode 64 × 4, 8K 0.713 0.110 6.5×
decode 128 × 1, one 250K among 4K 0.445 0.169 2.6×
decode 128 × 1, 8K–200K 0.512 0.464 1.1×
decode 1 × 1, 60K 0.112 0.114 1.0×

End to end (2× MI355X per arm, arms side by side; random dataset, range ratio 0.8):

ISL/OSL, conc main tok/s PR tok/s Δ TPOT main / PR (ms) TTFT main / PR (s)
8K/1K, 4 350 442 +26% 8.3 / 7.7 2.7 / 1.1
8K/1K, 8 668 755 +13% 11.0 / 10.0 0.7 / 0.4
8K/1K, 16 935 1218 +30% 15.6 / 12.2 1.1 / 0.6
8K/1K, 32 1169 1675 +43% 23.9 / 17.1 2.4 / 1.1
8K/1K, 64 1315 2057 +56% 43.4 / 28.3 4.2 / 2.0
8K/1K, 128 1554 2689 +73% 70.1 / 41.3 10.0 / 4.7
8K/1K, 256 1675 3127 +87% 129.5 / 70.4 19.6 / 9.1
60K/600, 4 131 215 +64% 22.0 / 14.6 4.6 / 2.1
60K/600, 16 157 302 +92% 80.8 / 44.2 10.9 / 4.6
60K/600, 64 166 329 +98% 323.5 / 163.5 32.5 / 16.3
128K/1K, 4 110 189 +71% 26.3 / 16.2 9.0 / 4.4
128K/1K, 16 112 242 +117% 116.6 / 54.9 23.4 / 9.6

GSM8K (5-shot, n = 1319): main 0.865 / 0.876, PR 0.876 / 0.873 over two passes (± 0.009).

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Thanks for running the MI355X benchmarks and sharing the results! Really appreciate it.

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I've tested it on MI325X, and there are also MI355X benchmark results in the comments.

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_qsa_mqa_paged_kernel scored one query row per program against the full
page-table capacity (max_model_len / compress_ratio columns), reloading
the shared MQA key tile per head and storing -inf for masked columns,
although the ROCm top-k only reads [0, visible_blocks).

Score BLOCK_M=16 rows against BLOCK_N=64 compressed keys per program.
Rows of a request share the page table, so the key tile is gathered once
per row block and each head becomes a tl.dot (fp16 for fp16 inputs, bf16
otherwise) with fp32 accumulation.
Row blocks that span requests loop over the requests they contain, and
each request skips column blocks past its own visible range.
Blocks past every row's visible range exit early, and logits at or past
visible_blocks are no longer written.

Signed-off-by: Oliver Yu <[email protected]>
The tiled QSA scoring kernel pads a 16-row dot tile even when every row
belongs to a different request and shares no keys. At 262K context with
1, 4 and 16 decode requests and no MTP it took 9.4, 25.4 and 78.8 us
against 6.1, 18.7 and 62.8 us for the previous one-row kernel.

For batches with no prefill and one query row per request (from
QSAForwardMetadata.num_prefills and decode_query_len, no device sync),
at most 32 rows, on gfx942, score row by row with the previous kernel
body plus an early exit for column blocks past the row's visible range.
Everything else keeps the tiled kernel.

Signed-off-by: Oliver Yu <[email protected]>
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Rebased on main. Since #61529 the indexer q and compressed keys can be fp8. Both scoring kernels already upcast them (bf16 for the tl.dot tile, fp32 in the per-row kernel), so the kernels are unchanged. Added fp8 cases to the indexer scoring tests; tests/models/qwen4_exp/ passes on MI325X.

…ay test

top_k_per_row_decode writes output slots with atomicAdd (csrc/sampler.cu), so the order of the selected blocks is unspecified and differs between launches. The test asserted positional equality and failed in about half of fresh-process runs on MI300X with 'Mismatched elements: 8 / 152' (the same blocks, swapped). Sort each row before the comparison; the selected set is still checked exactly.

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MI300X (gfx942) numbers for #62589 @ 404857c

Benchmark numbers are from 404857c. The head is now 348ca71, which only changes the test (see "Flaky test" below); the kernel code is unchanged.

Setup: MI300X, 304 CUs, one GPU. vllm/vllm-openai-rocm:nightly (sha256:5800b3b4cd79dc…c84f, 0.33.0rc1.dev573; torch 2.13+rocm10.0, triton 3.8.0; host ROCm 7.0.2). Stock is the image's amd/ops/qsa.py; PR is the 404857c ops/qsa.py hunk applied on top. Logits width 65,600, 4 heads, D128, top-k 2048, bf16, 5 warmup + 50 iterations, CUDA events.

qsa_select_paged_tokens, GPU ms (median), stock -> PR:

ctx rows/req conc stock PR
32K 4 64 0.8937 0.1338
98K 1 64 0.3456 0.2417
262K 4 64 1.3318 0.5043
262K 1 16 0.1824 0.1886

rows/req = 4 is MTP verify.

262K, 1 row, c16 is 1-3.4% slower in select (0.1824 -> 0.1886, range 0.1779-0.1916 vs 0.1861-0.1965; second pass 0.1871 -> 0.1895, range 0.1787-0.2035 vs 0.1870-0.2097). The ranges overlap, so I can't call it a stable regression. The scoring kernel alone is +7-11% there.

Top-k: block sets match stock in 23 of 24 cases. The odd one is 98K, 1 row, c64, row 55, one block differs. At the rank 511/512 boundary, stock's two fp32 scores are 1 ulp apart (0x3f8c2f66 vs 0x3f8c2f65); with the PR they are exactly equal, so tie-break decides. A 1-ulp accumulation-order difference flips a boundary pick.

Flaky test. test_qsa_select_decode_rows_replays_in_cuda_graph asserts exact equality of the selected indices. On MI300X it fails in about half of fresh-process runs (nightly + 404857c, the PR's own test file: 50/100, always Mismatched elements: 8 / 152, same row, two selected blocks swapped). Over 500 repeated launches on the failing inputs the selected set is identical every time; only the order changes. top_k_per_row_decode doesn't define an order: csrc/sampler.cu#L281 hands out output slots with atomicAdd(&smemFoundTopKValues[0], 1), so the slot is thread arrival order (the PR doesn't touch this file). Sorting before the compare passes 100/100. Fixed in 348ca71 (test only, +5/-1; it passes 10/10 fresh-process runs on the same nightly image):

-    torch.testing.assert_close(captured, expected, rtol=0, atol=0)
+    # top-k emits the selected blocks in unspecified order, so compare
+    # the selection as a set per row.
+    torch.testing.assert_close(
+        captured.sort(dim=1).values, expected.sort(dim=1).values, rtol=0, atol=0
+    )

Caveats: synthetic inputs, one seed per case, one GPU, host load 6-11 while timing, qsa_indexer.py hunk not benchmarked.

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