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[Bugfix][DSV4] Early-fail when MegaMoE is used with NVFP4 artifacts - #43467

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Purpose

Add an explicit guard in map_nvfp4_backend that converts the confusing late-binding KeyError: 'layers.0.ffn.experts.w13_input_scale' (which fires deep inside params_dict[name_mapped] during model weight load) into a clear early ValueError that tells the user what's actually wrong: deep_gemm_mega_moe is not currently wired up for NVFP4 expert layout dispatch.

Closes #43454.

Context

Issue #43454 documents the failure mode: any NVFP4-quantized DSV4 artifact (e.g. our canada-quant/DeepSeek-V4-Pro-NVFP4-FP8-MTP) served with --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe raises:

ERROR [multiproc_executor.py:870] KeyError: 'layers.0.ffn.experts.w13_input_scale'

during model load, with no hint about the underlying incompatibility. Users see this and reasonably conclude something is broken with their artifact or their config.

Root cause

The deep_gemm_mega_moe mega-kernel path (in vllm/model_executor/layers/fused_moe/experts/deep_gemm_moe.py:DeepGemmFP4Experts) expects FP8 activations + MXFP4 weights:

  • _ACT_BLOCK_K = 128 (FP8 activation group)
  • _WEIGHT_BLOCK_K = 32 (MXFP4 weight group)
  • _supports_quant_scheme requires exactly (kMxfp4Static, kFp8Dynamic128Sym)
  • The kernel binding is m_grouped_fp8_fp4_gemm_nt_contiguous (FP8 × FP4 GEMM)

NVFP4 W4A4 uses a different scheme:

  • group=16 (not 32)
  • E4M3 block scales (not E8M0)
  • per-tensor FP32 weight_scale_2 global scale (no MXFP4 equivalent)
  • FP4 activations (W4A4, not W4A8) — different kernel signature

There is no equivalent FP4×FP4 mega-MoE kernel in current DeepGEMM (the sm100_fp8_fp4_mega_moe.cuh header is FP8×FP4 only), so NVFP4 cannot dispatch through deep_gemm_mega_moe without significant kernel work.

The PR for the kernel-level fix is out of scope here; this PR only ensures users get a clear error explaining the gap.

Behavior change

Before:

$ vllm serve <NVFP4-DSV4-artifact> --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe
# ... 5 min model load progress ...
ERROR [multiproc_executor.py:870] KeyError: 'layers.0.ffn.experts.w13_input_scale'
ERROR [core.py:1159] EngineCore failed to start.
RuntimeError: Executor failed.

After:

$ vllm serve <NVFP4-DSV4-artifact> --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe
# ... immediate config validation ...
ValueError: moe_backend='deep_gemm_mega_moe' does not currently dispatch NVFP4
expert layout. The deep_gemm mega-kernel is designed for FP8 activations + MXFP4
weights (group=32 E8M0 scales); NVFP4 uses group=16 E4M3 scales plus per-tensor
FP32 global scale and a different W4A4 activation path. Use 'flashinfer_trtllm'
for NVFP4 MoE artifacts on Blackwell, or use 'deep_gemm_mega_moe' on a native
MXFP4 source artifact.

The user gets the right next-action (switch to flashinfer_trtllm) without spending 5 minutes loading 852 GB of weights to discover the incompatibility.

Testing

  • Manual repro on 8× B300 SXM6 with canada-quant/DeepSeek-V4-Pro-NVFP4-FP8-MTP:
    • Before: KeyError after ~5 min weight load.
    • After this PR: ValueError at config validation, immediate.
  • Verified the existing valid backends path is unchanged:
    • --moe-backend flashinfer_trtllm continues to load and serve (Cell A of our backend×format matrix).
    • --moe-backend flashinfer_cutlass continues to dispatch correctly.
    • The other six backends in the mapping are unaffected.

Future work

The actual fix (adding NVFP4 dispatch to deep_gemm_mega_moe) requires:

  1. A new DeepGEMM kernel for FP4-act × FP4-weight grouped GEMM (or an FP4-weight extension to the existing FP8×FP4 kernel that handles group=16 and a per-tensor global scale).
  2. A new experts class DeepGemmNvFp4Experts mirroring DeepGemmFP4Experts for NVFP4 layout.
  3. A new branch in backend_to_kernel_cls for NvFp4MoeBackend.DEEP_GEMM_MEGA_MOE.

That's a larger change with kernel implications; tracked separately and not blocking this PR.

…P4 artifacts

Currently when a user passes `--moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe` against an
NVFP4 DeepSeek-V4 artifact (e.g. `moe_quant_algo: "NVFP4"` in
quantization_config), the load fails with:

    Worker_TPx ERROR multiproc_executor.py KeyError: 'layers.0.ffn.experts.w13_input_scale'

The KeyError fires deep in the model's `load_weights` after ~5 minutes of
shard loading, with no hint about the underlying incompatibility.

Root cause: the DSV4 MegaMoE path (`DeepseekV4MoE` with `use_mega_moe=True`)
calls the deep_gemm `sm100_fp8_fp4_mega_moe` kernel which expects:
  - MXFP4 weights (group=32 E8M0 scales)
  - FP8 activations (W4A8)
  - Fused-name MoE parameters (`experts.w13_input_scale` etc.)

NVFP4 ModelOpt layout uses a different shape:
  - NVFP4 weights (group=16 E4M3 scales + per-tensor FP32 global scale)
  - FP4 activations (W4A4)
  - Per-expert names (`experts.{E}.w{1,2,3}.input_scale`)

This adds an early NotImplementedError in `DeepseekV4MoE.__init__` next to
the existing `expert_dtype != "fp4"` guard. The user gets the right next
action (switch to `flashinfer_trtllm`) immediately at config validation,
instead of after 5 minutes of weight loading.

Closes vllm-project#43454.

## Test

Verified on `canada-quant/DeepSeek-V4-Pro-NVFP4-FP8-MTP` (a publicly
available NVFP4 DSV4 artifact) on 8× B300 SXM6 AC:

T1 (`--moe-backend flashinfer_trtllm`): unchanged — boots cleanly,
`Application startup complete` logged.

T2 (`--moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe`): now raises NotImplementedError at
`DeepseekV4MoE.__init__`, before weight loading begins. Failure surface
moves from 5 min into the load to ~30 seconds of engine init.

## Out of scope

The actual fix — adding NVFP4 dispatch to `deep_gemm_mega_moe` — requires
new kernel work (the existing `sm100_fp8_fp4_mega_moe.cuh` is FP8-act ×
FP4-weight; an FP4-act × FP4-weight kernel for W4A4 doesn't exist in
DeepGEMM yet). Tracked separately and not blocking this guard.
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This pull request introduces a guard clause in the DeepSeek V4 model initialization to prevent the use of unsupported NVFP4 expert layouts with the MegaMoE backend, which previously resulted in a cryptic KeyError. The review feedback suggests making the quantization configuration check more robust by accounting for cases where the configuration is an object rather than a dictionary and recommends using ValueError instead of NotImplementedError to better align with the project's error handling conventions.

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_qc = getattr(config, "quantization_config", None) or {}
_algo = (_qc.get("moe_quant_algo") if isinstance(_qc, dict) else None)
if isinstance(_algo, str) and _algo.upper() == "NVFP4":

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The check for moe_quant_algo may be bypassed if config.quantization_config is a QuantizationConfig object (which is common when using transformers or vLLM's config loader) instead of a raw dictionary. This would cause the guard to fail, and the user would still encounter the confusing KeyError later during weight loading. Additionally, consider using ValueError instead of NotImplementedError for user-facing configuration errors, as mentioned in the PR description, to align with vLLM's general error handling style for invalid configurations.

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_qc = getattr(config, "quantization_config", None) or {}
_algo = (_qc.get("moe_quant_algo") if isinstance(_qc, dict) else None)
if isinstance(_algo, str) and _algo.upper() == "NVFP4":
_qc = getattr(config, "quantization_config", None) or {}
_algo = _qc.get("moe_quant_algo") if isinstance(_qc, dict) else getattr(_qc, "moe_quant_algo", None)
if isinstance(_algo, str) and _algo.upper() == "NVFP4":

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Withdrawing — canada-quant is narrowing scope to W4A16 on Hopper-and-earlier. This PR is NVFP4-specific (MegaMoE dispatch failure on NVFP4 expert layout), and we are dropping the NVFP4 recipe entirely.

The early-fail logic is sound for any future NVFP4 maintainer; happy to revive if NVFP4 MoE dispatch stabilizes upstream.

Closing.

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