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P2Important issues not at the top of the work lista: accessibilityAccessibility, e.g. VoiceOver or TalkBack. (aka a11y)f: scrollingViewports, list views, slivers, etc.found in release: 3.16Found to occur in 3.16found in release: 3.19Found to occur in 3.19frameworkflutter/packages/flutter repository. See also f: labels.has reproducible stepsThe issue has been confirmed reproducible and is ready to work onplatform-iosiOS applications specificallyteam-iosOwned by iOS platform teamtriaged-iosTriaged by iOS platform team

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@jeremynorman89
jeremynorman89
opened on Jan 16, 2024

Steps to reproduce

  1. Within the iOS settings app Accessibility > VoiceOver > Audio > Sounds & Haptics > Scrolled Page and enable both (they should be enabled by default)
  2. Within the iOS settings app Accessibility > VoiceOver, enable VoiceOver
  3. Run the linked demo app (or any other app that has a ListView)
  4. Using 3 fingers scroll down the generated list view

Expected results

There is an audible sound made each time you scroll down.

Actual results

There is no sound or feedback to the user letting them know they have scrolled.

Code sample

https://github.com/jeremynorman89/flutter_listview_accessibility_bug_demo

(There is nothing particularly special about this, it's just a ListView with 500 items in it)

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[✓] Flutter (Channel stable, 3.16.5, on macOS 14.2.1 23C71 darwin-arm64, locale en-GB)
[!] Android toolchain - develop for Android devices (Android SDK version 34.0.0)
    ✗ cmdline-tools component is missing
      Run `path/to/sdkmanager --install "cmdline-tools;latest"`
      See https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line for more details.
    ✗ Android license status unknown.
      Run `flutter doctor --android-licenses` to accept the SDK licenses.
      See https://flutter.dev/docs/get-started/install/macos#android-setup for more details.
[✓] Xcode - develop for iOS and macOS (Xcode 15.0.1)
[✓] Chrome - develop for the web
[✓] Android Studio (version 2022.2)
[✓] VS Code (version 1.85.1)
[✓] Connected device (4 available)
[✓] Network resources

! Doctor found issues in 1 category.

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  2. darshankawar commented on Jan 17, 2024

    @darshankawar
    darshankawar
    on Jan 17, 2024
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    Thanks for the report. I was able to replicate the reported behavior.

    Maybe this is related ? #22747

    stable, master flutter doctor -v 
    [!] Flutter (Channel stable, 3.16.7, on macOS 12.2.1 21D62 darwin-x64, locale
    en-GB)
    • Flutter version 3.16.7 on channel stable at
      /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter
    ! Warning: `flutter` on your path resolves to
      /Users/dhs/Documents/Fluttersdk/flutter/bin/flutter, which is not inside
      your current Flutter SDK checkout at
      /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter. Consider adding
      /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter/bin to the front of your path.
    ! Warning: `dart` on your path resolves to
      /Users/dhs/Documents/Fluttersdk/flutter/bin/dart, which is not inside your
      current Flutter SDK checkout at /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter.
      Consider adding /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter/bin to the front
      of your path.
    • Upstream repository https://github.com/flutter/flutter.git
    • Framework revision ef1af02aea (3 days ago), 2024-01-11 15:19:26 -0600
    • Engine revision 4a585b7929
    • Dart version 3.2.4
    • DevTools version 2.28.5
    • If those were intentional, you can disregard the above warnings; however
      it is recommended to use "git" directly to perform update checks and
      upgrades.

[!] Xcode - develop for iOS and macOS (Xcode 12.3)
    • Xcode at /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
    ! Flutter recommends a minimum Xcode version of 13.
      Download the latest version or update via the Mac App Store.
    • CocoaPods version 1.11.2

[✓] Chrome - develop for the web
    • Chrome at /Applications/Google Chrome.app/Contents/MacOS/Google Chrome

[✓] VS Code (version 1.62.0)
    • VS Code at /Applications/Visual Studio Code.app/Contents
    • Flutter extension version 3.21.0

[✓] Connected device (5 available)
    • SM G975F (mobile)       • RZ8M802WY0X • android-arm64   • Android 11 (API 30)
    • Darshan's iphone (mobile)  • 21150b119064aecc249dfcfe05e259197461ce23 •
      ios            • iOS 14.4.1 18D61
    • iPhone 12 Pro Max (mobile) • A5473606-0213-4FD8-BA16-553433949729     •
      ios            • com.apple.CoreSimulator.SimRuntime.iOS-14-3 (simulator)
    • macOS (desktop)            • macos                                    •
      darwin-x64     • Mac OS X 10.15.4 19E2269 darwin-x64
    • Chrome (web)               • chrome                                   •
      web-javascript • Google Chrome 98.0.4758.80

[✓] HTTP Host Availability
    • All required HTTP hosts are available

! Doctor found issues in 1 category.

[!] Flutter (Channel master, 3.19.0-6.0.pre.21, on macOS 12.2.1 21D62
    darwin-x64, locale en-GB)
    • Flutter version 3.19.0-6.0.pre.21 on channel master at
      /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter
    ! Warning: `flutter` on your path resolves to
      /Users/dhs/Documents/Fluttersdk/flutter/bin/flutter, which is not inside
      your current Flutter SDK checkout at
      /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter. Consider adding
      /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter/bin to the front of your path.
    ! Warning: `dart` on your path resolves to
      /Users/dhs/Documents/Fluttersdk/flutter/bin/dart, which is not inside your
      current Flutter SDK checkout at /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter.
      Consider adding /Users/dhs/documents/fluttersdk/flutter/bin to the front
      of your path.
    • Upstream repository https://github.com/flutter/flutter.git
    • Framework revision 65acd0728c (71 minutes ago), 2024-01-16 23:34:47 -0500
    • Engine revision 73a2de5da5
    • Dart version 3.4.0 (build 3.4.0-24.0.dev)
    • DevTools version 2.31.0
    • If those were intentional, you can disregard the above warnings; however
      it is recommended to use "git" directly to perform update checks and
      upgrades.

[!] Android toolchain - develop for Android devices (Android SDK version 30.0.3)
    • Android SDK at /Users/dhs/Library/Android/sdk
    ✗ cmdline-tools component is missing
      Run `path/to/sdkmanager --install "cmdline-tools;latest"`
      See https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line for more details.
    ✗ Android license status unknown.
      Run `flutter doctor --android-licenses` to accept the SDK licenses.
      See https://flutter.dev/docs/get-started/install/macos#android-setup for
      more details.

[✓] Xcode - develop for iOS and macOS (Xcode 13.2.1)
    • Xcode at /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
    • Build 13C100
    • CocoaPods version 1.11.2

[✓] Chrome - develop for the web
    • Chrome at /Applications/Google Chrome.app/Contents/MacOS/Google Chrome

[✓] IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition (version 2021.3.2)
    • IntelliJ at /Applications/IntelliJ IDEA.app
    • Flutter plugin version 65.1.4
    • Dart plugin version 213.7228

[✓] VS Code (version 1.62.0)
    • VS Code at /Applications/Visual Studio Code.app/Contents
    • Flutter extension version 3.29.0

[✓] Connected device (3 available)
    • Darshan's iphone (mobile) • 21150b119064aecc249dfcfe05e259197461ce23 • ios
      • iOS 15.3.1 19D52
    • macOS (desktop)           • macos                                    •
      darwin-x64     • macOS 12.2.1 21D62 darwin-x64
    • Chrome (web)              • chrome                                   •
      web-javascript • Google Chrome 109.0.5414.119

[✓] Network resources
    • All expected network resources are available.

! Doctor found issues in 1 category.
      
[!] Xcode - develop for iOS and macOS (Xcode 12.3)
    • Xcode at /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
    ! Flutter recommends a minimum Xcode version of 13.
      Download the latest version or update via the Mac App Store.
    • CocoaPods version 1.11.2

[✓] Chrome - develop for the web
    • Chrome at /Applications/Google Chrome.app/Contents/MacOS/Google Chrome

[✓] VS Code (version 1.62.0)
    • VS Code at /Applications/Visual Studio Code.app/Contents
    • Flutter extension version 3.21.0

[✓] Connected device (5 available)
    • SM G975F (mobile)       • RZ8M802WY0X • android-arm64   • Android 11 (API 30)
    • Darshan's iphone (mobile)  • 21150b119064aecc249dfcfe05e259197461ce23 •
      ios            • iOS 14.4.1 18D61
    • iPhone 12 Pro Max (mobile) • A5473606-0213-4FD8-BA16-553433949729     •
      ios            • com.apple.CoreSimulator.SimRuntime.iOS-14-3 (simulator)
    • macOS (desktop)            • macos                                    •
      darwin-x64     • Mac OS X 10.15.4 19E2269 darwin-x64
    • Chrome (web)               • chrome                                   •
      web-javascript • Google Chrome 98.0.4758.80

[✓] HTTP Host Availability
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! Doctor found issues in 1 category.
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    f: scrollingViewports, list views, slivers, etc.
    has reproducible stepsThe issue has been confirmed reproducible and is ready to work on
    team-frameworkOwned by Framework team
    found in release: 3.16Found to occur in 3.16
    found in release: 3.19Found to occur in 3.19
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  4. jeremynorman89 commented on Jan 17, 2024

    @jeremynorman89
    jeremynorman89
    on Jan 17, 2024
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    Thanks for the report. I was able to replicate the reported behavior.

    Maybe this is related ? #22747

    This does indeed seem to be the same thing, somehow missed that while looking through a lot of issues for a similar report.

  5. jmagman commented on Jan 17, 2024

    @jmagman
    jmagman
    on Jan 17, 2024
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    @jonahwilliams I know #22747 is ancient but is this a dupe? By "accessibility scrolling announcements" did you mean the same feature turned on by Accessibility > VoiceOver > Audio > Sounds & Haptics > Scrolled Page?

  6. jonahwilliams commented on Jan 17, 2024

    @jonahwilliams
    jonahwilliams
    on Jan 17, 2024
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    I think that issue should be closed since it was fixed. That particular item was about announcements/labels when selecting items in a list "Item 1 of 50, item 2 of 50" et cetera. I'm not sure about the scrolled page notification, but it sounds similar to the routing based announcements we do (scopes/names route).

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  8. hellohuanlin commented on Jan 22, 2024

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    on Jan 22, 2024
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    Hi framework team, can you take a look if this is something you can help out with? thanks!

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  10. goderbauer commented on Jan 23, 2024

    @goderbauer
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    What does iOS need to trigger the sound? In the accessibility bridge we'll have to dispatch the event/notification necessary to trigger it.

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  15. yuukiw00w commented on Oct 17, 2024

    @yuukiw00w
    yuukiw00w
    on Oct 17, 2024

    Is there a workaround for this?

  16. zywek123 commented on May 29, 2025

    @zywek123
    zywek123
    on May 29, 2025

    There's no sound and no feedback at all. If #22747 fixes this, so not works.
    No Message "Showing items 1 to 10 of 50"
    No message "Page 1 of 20"
    Use three fingers up or down gestures with VO turned on to reproduce.
    I was able to reproduce it in 3.32 and 3.33 master

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