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@ramonjd ramonjd commented Sep 22, 2025

Kapture.2025-10-14.at.13.32.16.mp4

(Hopefully one day) resolves #71556

This PR attempts to remove all editing-related constraints from zoom out mode. The goal is for zoom out to feel more like you're simply zooming out, rather than fundamentally changing how you interact with blocks.

So, when you zoom out you should still be able to select and edit editable fields.

To achieve these changes, this PR also updates the BlockPopoverCover to calculate the size of the area using getBoundingClientRect instead of offset width/height, so that it factors in scaling.

Testing Instructions

  • Enable the "contentOnly: Make patterns contentOnly by default upon insertion" experiment
  • Head to the site editor, insert some patterns - check that content fields are editable
  • Use the Zoom out toggle in the header and test what you can edit
  • Drag things around
  • Ask yourself:
    • Is this easy to use?
    • Are the blocks behaving as I'd expect?
    • Should there be anything special, on top of zooming out, that zoom out mode should provide?

isUsingBindings: _isUsingBindings,
hasParentPattern: _hasParentPattern,
hasContentOnlyLocking: _hasTemplateLock,
// @ZOOMOUTMODE
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This comment is to indicate questionable areas... that is, "should I stay or should I go". Like that song.

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For the showShuffleButton I'm not sure how useful it is in its current form as it shows a very simple set of patterns in the same category. It feels like something that looks good in theory but I struggle to imagine how it would feel in actual usage, as you'd need a really good set of comparable patterns for it to work well:

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@andrewserong andrewserong added [Feature] Zoom Out [Type] Enhancement A suggestion for improvement. labels Oct 6, 2025
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// @ZOOMOUTMODE
enablePaddingAppender:
! isZoomOut() && isRenderingPostOnly && isNotDesignPostType,
isRenderingPostOnly && isNotDesignPostType,
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This removal is good, because we never allow the zoom out button when isRenderingPostOnly as there isn't a section root id in that context (when we're in post-only mode).

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This comment is to indicate questionable areas... that is, "should I stay or should I go". Like that song.

Thanks! I've made a start and will remove // @ZOOMOUTMODE comments as I make decisions. So far I think the edit-post changes are looking good.

I'll continue on with this tomorrow and through the week 👍

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ramonjd commented Oct 7, 2025

Thanks for going deeper on this one @andrewserong !

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// Check if the block is still selected at the time this effect runs.
if (
! isBlockSelected( clientId ) ||
isMultiSelecting() ||
isZoomOut()
) {
if ( ! isBlockSelected( clientId ) || isMultiSelecting() ) {
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I've removed isZoomOut from this check, otherwise we get stuck on a row if we hit "enter" while zoomed out:

Before

2025-10-08.16.55.03.mp4

With this removal

2025-10-08.16.54.18.mp4

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ramonjd commented Oct 8, 2025

What's your take on editing pattern content blocks while zoomed out?

Here's I switched on the content only experiment:

Kapture.2025-10-08.at.17.31.38.mp4

They're not editable while zoomed out. I'm not sure if that's expected or not.

It does make it easier to grab and drag the pattern elsewhere though 🤔

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ramonjd commented Oct 8, 2025

I just rebased to fix a conflict 👍🏻

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ramonjd commented Oct 8, 2025

I just rebased to fix a conflict

The unit test fail is real. Sorry if I caused it!

at Object.toEqual (packages/block-editor/src/store/test/reducer.js:4468:40)
● state › withDerivedBlockEditingModes › zoom out mode › handles changes to the section root

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The unit test fail is real. Sorry if I caused it!

No, no, they were already failing, I hadn't gotten to looking at them yet as I was still umming and ahing over the ideal behaviour here.

What's your take on editing pattern content blocks while zoomed out?

For the purposes of this PR, I think you probably should be able to. Whether or not this PR as a whole winds up feeling right is another question, though. But from the premise of "let's decouple zoom out from editing behaviour" I like the idea of seeing how it feels to enable that kind of editing and updating while zoomed out, though I don't feel strongly about it!

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What's your take on editing pattern content blocks while zoomed out?
They're not editable while zoomed out. I'm not sure if that's expected or not.

I think we can have the best of both worlds of the pattern being draggable and the blocks within it being editable. It took me way longer to find a fix than I'd expected, but it turns out that by recalculating the derived block editor modes when zoom out mode is changed, that got it working again (I suspect because we were stuck with a cached value where the parent block is disabled and so the child blocks think they are, too? Not too sure). In any case, with this tiny commit (f8c1d4d) that adds a couple of actions back in to recalculate that state, that's gotten it working, with pattern fields editable while zoomed out:

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That's about all the time I have for this PR before I go AFK for a week, but happy to pick it up again when I'm back if it's still open!

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A few things I noticed:

  1. In zoom out we have this experience when dropping in patterns. I wonder if it's worth retaining:
Screenshot 2025-10-23 at 17 04 09
  1. Zoom out is only available in some scenarios (connected to the appearance of main element etc.). Now that all it does is scale the canvas, maybe it should always be availalble?

Just some thoughts, nothing to block this work.

ramonjd and others added 4 commits October 24, 2025 10:58
- Simplified state management in block-list and related components by removing isZoomOut checks.
- Updated logic in block settings dropdown and block tools to enhance performance and maintainability.
- Cleaned up unused imports and adjusted related functionality to ensure consistent behavior without zoom out mode.
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In zoom out we have this experience when dropping in patterns. I wonder if it's worth retaining:

Good question. I think part of the challenge here is that if we're enabling the inbetween inserter, then the two will conflict:

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Zoom out is only available in some scenarios (connected to the appearance of main element etc.). Now that all it does is scale the canvas, maybe it should always be availalble?

I like that idea. I think I'd probably treat it as a separate step. I.e. first see if we can land this PR to make Zoom Out less opinionated, and then once we're happy with how it's functioning, open up a smaller PR to make Zoom Out more readily available.

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Just jotting down a couple of visual bugs:

Positioning of the block inserter:

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Highlighting of the block drop zone (the width is correct when zoomed in, but not while zoomed out):

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Just jotting down a couple of visual bugs:

I've partially fixed these in ad4be2c which allows the BlockPopoverCover to account for scaling by using getBoundingClientRect instead of offset width/height. It still isn't perfect as it doesn't recalculate when you click zoom in/out, but it's a fair bit nicer now:

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it( 'returns empty block editing modes since zoom does not affect editing modes', () => {
// Zoom level is decoupled from editing modes, so even when
// zoomed out with sections, no derived editing modes should be set.
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For now, I've updated some of these tests to expect an empty Map(). If/when this PR is ready to land, I think we'll just rip out the zoomOut tests altogether rather than testing it doesn't do anything. But for now I'm finding it helpful to keep them in, just to keep track.

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But for now I'm finding it helpful to keep them in, just to keep track.

Good thinking!

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ramonjd commented Oct 24, 2025

Zoom out is only available in some scenarios (connected to the appearance of main element etc.). Now that all it does is scale the canvas, maybe it should always be availalble?

Yeah, as I was testing this again I created a new template and was trying to remember why zoom wasn't enabled when adding patterns. To me, making its appearance consistent sounds worth it in whatever follow ups we do.

It still isn't perfect as it doesn't recalculate when you click zoom in/out, but it's a fair bit nicer now:

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Kapture.2025-10-24.at.14.01.28.mp4

// Other operations such as "group" are when the editor tries to create a row
// block by grouping the block being dragged with the block it's being dropped
// onto.
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Grouping while dragging onto things horizontally can be a fairly fine-grained action. For now, I lean toward leaving this in (return early if we're not inserting), but we could always revisit in follow-ups. I'll remove this comment for now.

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// The switch style button appears more prominently with the
// content only pattern experiment.
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I'm inclined to keep this one, as I think quickly being able to toggle through the section styles is nice behaviour 👍

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Flaky tests detected in 20aaf5e.
Some tests passed with failed attempts. The failures may not be related to this commit but are still reported for visibility. See the documentation for more information.

🔍 Workflow run URL: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/actions/runs/18768564501
📝 Reported issues:

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andrewserong commented Oct 29, 2025

Closing for now, let's revisit once the contentOnly experiment has been stabilised (i.e. once contentOnly is in a good place, and features for it are decoupled from Zoom Out mode, we'll be in a better place to pick this work up again to tidy up Zoom Out). Slightly longer explanation in the linked issue here: #71556 (comment)

Thanks for all the discussion and back-and-forth, folks!

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