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Pyra and Mythra have received numerous changes to their sword hitboxes aiming to reduce the total amount of hitboxes per swing as well as repositioning the hitboxes to better reflect the edge of their swords. Along with that, they've received various angle and knockback changes that are meant to move away from vanilla ult style knockback and bring it more in line with melee style knockback. The changes are very experimental, so please provide feedback of your experience with them here or in the respective discord character channel.

Main things to note:

  • Swap (down special) has been slowed down but given the ability to b-reverse and b-turnaround
  • Hitbox size changes have been made so generally the hilt hitbox is the largest hitbox. Sweetspot and sourspot areas are generally the same for both characters
  • Mythra's Neutral B should generally connect fully in more situations but SDI and fallspeeds will still make it escapable

Pyra

General

  • [-] Arcing slash attacks have had their hitboxes pull backwards to better represent edge of the blade

Jab 1

  • [-] FAF: 17f -> 19f

Jab 3

  • [/] Arm hitbox can now reverse hit
  • [/] Hitlag Multiplier: 1.5x -> 1.0x
  • [-] BKB: 71 -> 51

Dash Attack

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [/] Arm hitbox can now reverse hit
  • [/] Priority on arm and hilt hitbox swapped
  • [$] Removed fire effect from sourspot

Forward Tilt

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip

Up Tilt

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Hitbox Activity: 11-17 -> 11-16

Down Tilt

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip

Forward Smash

  • [-] Reworked and repositioned hitboxes
  • [/] Priority on Arm and hilt hitbox swapped
  • [-] Hitbox Activity: 20-24f -> 20-23f
Old New
Old Pyra Fsmash (1) New Pyra Fsmash (1)
Old Pyra Fsmash (2) New Pyra Fsmash (2)
Old Pyra Fsmash (3) New Pyra Fsmash (3)

Down Smash

  • [/] Reworked and repositioned hitboxes to be similar to Mythra's down smash
Old New
Old Pyra Dsmash (1) New Pyra Dsmash (1)
Old Pyra Dsmash (2) New Pyra Dsmash (2)

Neutral Air

  • [/] Early BKB (arm/base/tip): 75/75/107 -> 20/20/50
  • [/] Early KBG (arm/base/tip): 67/67/51 -> 106/106/100
  • [/] Late BKB: 102 -> 48
  • [/] Late KBG: 50 -> 103

Forward Air

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Hitbox Activity: 11-15 -> 11-14
  • [/] BKB (arm/base/middle/tip): 71/71/69/69 -> 30/30/30/30
  • [/] KBG (arm/base/middle/tip): 71/71/72/72 -> 102/102/102/102
Old New
Old Pyra Fair New Pyra Fair

Back Air

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [/] BKB: 74 -> 41
  • [/] KBG (arm/base/middle/tip): 70/70/72/72 -> 95/95/95/95
Old New
Old Pyra Bair New Pyra Bair

Up Air

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [/] BKB: 94 -> 52
  • [/] KBG (arm/base/middle/tip): 55/55/58/58 -> 90/90/90/90
Old New
Old Pyra Uair New Pyra Uair

Down Air

  • [-] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [/] Early BKB (arm/base): 56/56 -> 35/35
  • [/] Early KBG (arm/base): 76/76 -> 93/93
  • [/] Late BKB (arm/base): 66/66 -> 41/41
  • [/] Late KBG (arm/base): 79/79 -> 99/99
Old New
Old Pyra Dair New Pyra Dair

Swap

  • [!] Can now be b-turnaround and b-reverse
  • [-] FAF: 27 -> 30

Mythra

General

  • [-] Arcing slash attacks have had their hitboxes pull backwards to better represent edge of the blade
  • [$] Swapped effects/sounds from sourspots and sweetspots with each other

Jab 1

  • [-] Startup: 2f -> 3f
  • [-] FAF: 17f -> 19f

Jab 3

  • [/] Hitlag Multiplier: 1.5x -> 1.0x
  • [-] BKB: 66 -> 46

Dash Attack

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [/] Priority on Arm and hilt hitbox swapped
  • [-] Angle (Arm/hilt/middle/tip): 70/70/55/55 -> 50/50/361/361
  • [/] BKB: 70 -> 47
  • [/] KBG: 55 -> 74

Forward Tilt

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Angle (Arm/hilt/middle/tip): 65/65/70/70 -> 67/67/61/61

Up Tilt

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Hitbox Activity: 8-13 -> 8-12
  • [/] BKB: 65 -> 48
  • [/] KBG: 75 -> 98
Old New
Old Mythra Utilt New Mytrha Utilt

Down Tilt

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Angle (Arm/hilt/middle/tip): 77/77/93/93 -> 79/79/73/73
  • [/] BKB: 75 -> 52
  • [/] KBG: 65 -> 96

Forward Smash

  • [-] Reworked and repositioned hitboxes
  • [/] Priority on arm and hilt hitbox swapped
  • [-] Angle (arm/base): 38/38 -> 361/361
Old New
Old Mythra Fsmash (1) New Mythra Fsmash (1)
Old Mythra Fsmash (3) New Mythra Fsmash (3)

Down Smash

  • [-] Outermost hitboxes brought in to match visual
  • [-] First Hit FKB: 20/25/30 -> 0/0/0
  • [R] Second Hit Angle: 94 -> 106
  • [/] Second Hit BKB: 75 -> 53
  • [/] Second Hit KBG: 70 -> 81
Old New
Old Mythra Dsmash (1) New Mythra Dsmash
Old Mythra Dsmash (2) New Mythra Dsmash (2)

Forward Air

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Hitbox Activity: 8-12 -> 8-11
  • [-] Angle (middle/tip): 50 -> 361
Old New
Old Mythra Fair New Mythra Fair

Back Air

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Hitbox Activity: 10-14f -> 10-13f
  • [-] Angle (middle/tip): 72/72 -> 71/71
  • [/] BKB: 60 -> 52
  • [/] KBG: 65 -> 75
Old New
Old Mythra Bair New Mythra Bair

Up Air

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Angle (middle/tip): 76/76 -> 75/75
Old New
Old Mythra Uair New Mythra Uair

Down Air

  • [/] Removed one of the sword hitboxes. Now has hitboxes only on Arm/Hilt/Middle/Tip
  • [-] Angle (Arm/hilt/middle/tip): 50/50/60/60 -> 58/58/52/52
  • [/] BKB: 60 -> 47
  • [/] KBG: 65 -> 84
Old New
Old Mythra Dair New Mythra Dair

Lightning Buster

  • [/] Hitboxes have been reworked to be more consistent with visuals
  • [+] FKB: 10 -> 40
Old New
Old Mythra Neutral B (1) New Mythra Neutral B (1)
Old Mythra Neutral B (2) New Mythra Neutral B (2)
Old Mythra Neutral B (3) New Mythra Neutral B (3)
Old Mythra Neutral B (4) New Mythra Neutral B (4)

Upward Slash

  • [$] Visuals improved to better match hitbox placement

Swap

  • [!] Can now be b-turnaround and b-reverse
  • [-] FAF: 27 -> 30

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