Skip to content

Defensive Mechanics Rewrite & Landing Lag Sweep#2437

Merged
SuddyN merged 51 commits into
devfrom
shield-rework
Jun 12, 2024
Merged

Defensive Mechanics Rewrite & Landing Lag Sweep#2437
SuddyN merged 51 commits into
devfrom
shield-rework

Conversation

@SuddyN

@SuddyN SuddyN commented Jun 12, 2024 •
edited
Loading

Copy link
Copy Markdown
Collaborator

Parry

The previous parry system has been an improvement in our opinion, but has major issues that lead it to feel unreliable against many attacks. Successful parry hitlag and endlag are inconsistent, varying on attack strength. This causes it to be difficult to react to successful parries on low strength attacks, and difficult to time punishes on higher strength attacks. The new parry system aims to improve this with consistent hitlag and endlag for all parried attacks:

Parry input:

  • Maximum parry window: 5F -> 7F
  • Parry window is now based on when the parry input enters the buffer, rather than when the parry animation starts
    • For example: 7F parry window. Player inputs parry on F36 of their move that has an FAF of 39. Parry input expires after F42, causing the resulting parry window to be 4F from F39-F42
    • In effect: the parry window is a measurement of the player's input timing, rather than the timing of their actionability. This is similar to the system behind Street Fighter 6's perfect parry window
  • Fixed an issue where parry would not be buffered if not held for the entire buffer window
  • Fixed an issue where it was possible to enter parry lag without any parry window for 1F after shield damage

Successful parry:

  • Projectile reflect limit: 7 -> 999
  • Attacker hitlag: variable -> 18F
  • Defender hitlag: variable -> 12F
  • Defender endlag: variable (1F-6F) -> 6F
  • May now be canceled into offensive out-of-shield options during endlag
    • USpecial
    • USmash
    • Jump
    • Item toss
    • Grab
  • May now be canceled into another parry attempt at any time
  • Removed the automatic parry window
  • No longer sets the opponent's collision kind for shield
    • Zelda can no longer cancel attacks into DSpecial on parry
    • Pichu can no longer jump cancel USpecial on parry
    • Sonic can no longer jump cancel SSpecial on parry
    • Lucario, Ryu, Ken, and Terry can no longer cancel their attacks on parry
    • Palutena no longer gets colors on parry
    • Palutena Blue NSpecial no longer has less endlag on parry
    • Palutena Purple NSpecial no longer has less endlag on parry
    • Shulk can no longer cancel attacks into NSpecial on parry
    • Incineroar can no longer hitfall on parry
    • Piranha Plant SSpecial no longer has less endlag on parry
2024-06-11.23-07-51.-.Trim.mp4
2024-06-11.23-10-18.mp4

Shield

Shield health, decay, and recovery values have been adjusted to align remaining shield health with the amount of shield use, rather than shield damage. The values themselves are roughly similar to those seen in Brawl. What this means is that players will be punished more for keeping their shield up, and less for shielding attacks. This should lower the frequency of "accidental" shield breaks.

However, many members of the cast have had individual moves overcompensated for this change. This means that they can specifically choose to attempt to break your shield.

Finally, the shield broken status has been rewritten to remove mashing and to make the reward on shield break more dynamic.

Stats:

  • Shield health: 60 -> 72
  • Shield global base damage multiplier: 1.4 -> 1.0
  • Shield decay rate: 0.255 -> 0.375
    • Time to decay from full to empty shield: 3.92s -> 3.2s
  • Shield regeneration rate: 0.07 -> 0.09
    • Time to regen from empty to full shield: 14.29s -> 13.3s

Dropping Shield:

  • May now be canceled into offensive out-of-shield options during endlag (15F)
    • USpecial
    • USmash
    • Parry
    • Jump
    • Item toss
    • Grab

Shield Break

  • Reworked: Shield-broken players no longer fly into the air!
    • Now, they enter a slow vulnerable crumple state for a set amount of time
    • After the crumple state is over, they're forced into either a neutral getup or roll
    • Mashing does not influence recovery time
  • Stats:
    • Shield health after break: 37.5 -> 30
    • FAF: variable (300 max) -> 120
    • Invulnerability: air-time plus 32F -> 24F
  • Jigglypuff still dies off the top sorry puff mains
2024-06-11.23-14-30.mp4

Shield Damage Adjustments

Shield damage numbers are added on top of the base damage of the move. For example, a move with 8 damage, but a 10 shield damage stat, will do 18 shield damage.

CLICK ME

Mario

  • [+] NSpecial (hold): 0 --> 10

Donkey Kong

  • [+] SSpecial: 22 -> 40

Link

  • [+] FAir 1: -3 -> 0
  • [+] SSpecial: -1.5 -> 0

Samus

  • [+] NSpecial: -2.5/-7 -> 0

Yoshi

  • [+] DSpecial: 10 -> 25

Kirby

  • [+] DSpecial: 0 -> 10

Pikachu

  • [+] Thunder (connects): 2 -> 15

Luigi

  • [+] NSpecial (hold): 0 --> 11

Ness

  • [+] USmash: 0 -> 8
  • [+] DSmash: 0 -> 6

Captain Falcon

  • [+] NSpecial: 0 -> 15 (ground) / 17 (ground turn) / 13 (air) / 15 (air turn)

Jigglypuff

  • [+] SSpecial: 17 -> 34

Peach

  • [+] DSmash: 0 -> 2 (x6 multihits) / 7 (launcher)

Bowser

  • [+] DSpecial: 5 -> 28

Ice Climbers

  • [+] NSpecial (hammer): -4 -> 0

Dr. Mario:

  • [+] NSpecial: (hold): 0 -> 12

Pichu

  • [+] FSmash: 0 -> 1 (x5 multihits) / 1 (launcher)
  • [+] DSpecial: 2 -> 12

Marth

  • [+] NSpecial (uncharged): 25 -> 45
  • [+] NSpecial (charged): 50 -> 70

Ganondorf

  • [+] DSpecial (air): 10 -> 25
  • [+] DSmash (hit 2): 0 -> 9

Mewtwo

  • [+] DSmash (early): 8/4 -> 22/18
  • [+] DSmash (late): 8/4 -> 17/13

Roy

  • [+] SSpecial (low 4): 0 -> 2 (x5 multihits) / 2 (launcher)

Mr. Game & Watch

  • [+] SSpecial (3): 25 -> 43

Pit

  • [+] SSpecial (ground): 10 -> 25

Wario

  • [-] NAir: 0.7 -> 0
  • [+] DSpecial: 0 -> 12/18

Ike

  • [+] NSpecial: 1 -> 7

Lucas

  • [+] NAir: -1 -> 0
  • [+] DSmash: -10 -> 0

King DeDeDe

  • [+] FSmash: 7 -> 29
  • [+] DSpecial: 0 -> 24

Olimar

  • [+] FSmash: -10/-7/-4.2 -> 0

Villager

  • [+] DSpecial (axe): 9 -> 23
  • [+] FSmash: 11 -> 24

MegaMan

  • [+] UTilt: 0 -> 15 (early) / 12 (late)

Little Mac

  • [+] FSmash (down): 4 -> 17

Dark Pit

  • [+] SSpecial (ground): 4 -> 24

Lucina

  • [+] NSpecial (uncharged): 25 -> 45
  • [+] NSpecial (charged): 50 -> 70

Robin

  • [+] DSmash: 0 -> 4 (sword) / 4 (electricity)

Bowser Jr.

  • [+] FSmash: 0 -> 2 (x5 multihits) / 5 (launcher)
  • [+] Cannonball (bounce): 8 -> 13

Duck Hunt

  • [+] NSpecial (explosion): -5 -> 0

Ryu

  • [-] Heavy Jab: 2 -> 0
  • [+] Heavy Jab 2: -5 -> 0
  • [+] FTilt: 8/20 -> 14/36
  • [+] FSmash: -4 -> 0
  • [+] DSmash: -6/-2 -> 0
  • [+] DSpecial (level 1): 15 -> 31
  • [+] DSpecial (level 2): 22 -> 42
  • [+] DThrow (collateral) 50 -> 80

Cloud

  • [+] SSpecial (limit): 0 -> 10 (launcher)

Corrin

  • [+] FSmash: 0 -> 15
  • [+] SSpecial (pin): 0 -> 15 (misses ground) / 5 (hits ground)
  • [+] NSpecial (bite): 3 -> 15

Bayonetta

  • [+] NSpecial bullets: -0.6 -> 0
  • [+] Bullets (generally): -0.3 -> 0

Daisy

  • [+] DSmash: 0 -> 2 (x6 multihits) / 7 (launcher)

Ridley

  • [+] DSpecial (ground): 0 -> 25

Simon

  • [+] NSpecial: 8 -> 17

Richter

  • [+] FSmash 1/3/6 -> 2 (x5 multihits) / 8 (launcher) / 11 (launcher sweetspot)

Chrom

  • [+] SSpecial (low 4): 0 -> 3 (x4 multihits) / 4 (launcher)

Dark Samus

  • [+] NSpecial: -2.5/-7 -> 0

King K. Rool

  • [+] DSmash: 0 -> 18
  • [+] Cannonball: -2 -> 0

Ken

  • [-] Heavy Jab / Jab 2: 2 -> 0
  • [+] DSmash: -6/-2 -> 0
  • [+] Roundhouse kick: -5 -> 0
  • [+] Axe Kick: 5 -> 20
  • [+] DThrow (collateral) 50 -> 80

Incineroar

  • [+] FTilt: 0 -> 11
  • [+] DSmash: 6 -> 23

Piranha Plant

  • [+] SSpecial: 8 -> 19
  • [+] DSpecial: 5 -> 20

Hero

  • [+] FSmash Crit: -5/-6 -> 0
  • [+] USmash Crit: -4/-5 -> 0
  • [+] Hatchet Man: 20 -> 53
  • [+] Crash1 (?): -2/-1 -> 0
  • [+] Thwack: -1 -> 0
  • [+] USpecial: -1 -> 0

Banjo & Kazooie

  • [+] SSpecial (ground): -0.7/-0.8/-0.9/-1 -> 0

Terry

  • [+] Power Geyser: -4 -> 0

Byleth

  • [+] DSmash: 0 -> 15
  • [+] DSpecial (uncharged): 8 -> 24
  • [+] DSpecial (charged): 25 -> 58

Min Min

  • [+] FSmash (charged double dragon): 0 -> 10

Steve

  • [+] Anvil: 1 -> 7

Sephiroth

  • [+] DSmash: 5 -> 25

Kazuya

  • [+] Dragon Uppercut: 5 -> 21

Sora

  • [+] DSmash: -7 -> 0

Mii Brawler

  • [+] DSpecial1 (landing): -3 -> 0
  • [+] DSpecial2 (kick): 5 -> 14
  • [+] DSpecial3 (throw): 5 -> 15

Mii Gunner

  • [+] Super Missile: -5 -> 0

Landing Lag Adjustments

Separate from the defensive changes (but designed/tested concurrently), we have made a cast-wide increase in landing lag. These changes aim to increase the prevalence of whiff punishing and experiment with game feel as a whole. Every move has been individually tuned based on several factors.

CLICK ME

Mario

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [=] Dair: 12 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Donkey Kong

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 13 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 6

Link

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Dair: 18 -> 20
  • [=] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 5

Samus

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Zair: 17 -> 20
  • [-] SSpecial: 4 -> 10
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Yoshi

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Kirby

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Fox

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 15 -> 16
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] NSpecial: 4 -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Pikachu

  • [=] Nair: 9 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 9
  • [=] Dair: 15 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Luigi

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ness

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Captain Falcon

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Jigglypuff

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Peach

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Float Cancel: 4 -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Bowser

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 13 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 13 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 21 -> 21
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ice Climbers

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Sheik

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] NSpecial: 9 -> 10
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Zelda

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] NSpecial: 7 -> 9
  • [-] SSpecial: 4 -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Dr. Mario

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Pichu

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 14 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 3 -> 5

Falco

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] NSpecial: 4 -> 6
  • [=] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 5

Marth

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 16 -> 18
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Young Link

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 16 -> 18
  • [-] Zair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ganondorf

  • [-] Nair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 15 -> 17
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 6

Mewtwo

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 13
  • [=] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 5

Roy

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 6

Game & Watch

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 13
  • [=] Uair: 10 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] NSpecial: 4 -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Metaknight

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 13 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Pit

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [=] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 5

Zero Suit Samus

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Zair: 14 -> 17
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Wario

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [=] Dair: 29 -> 29
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Snake

  • [-] Nair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Ike

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Squirtle

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ivysaur

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Charizard

  • [-] Nair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 6

Diddy Kong

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Lucas

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Zair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Sonic

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 16 -> 18
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

King Dedede

  • [-] Nair: 11 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 14 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 15 -> 18
  • [+] Heavy Landing: 6 -> 5

Olimar

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] NSpecial: variable (min 2) -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Lucario

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] DSpecial: 4 -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Rob

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Toon Link

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 17 -> 19
  • [-] Zair: 15 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Wolf

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Villager

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Megaman

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 14 -> 15
  • [=] UAir: 17 -> 17
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Wii Fit Trainer

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Rosalina

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Little Mac

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Greninja

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [=] DAir: 20 -> 20
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Palutena

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Dark Pit

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [=] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 5

Pac-Man

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Lucina

  • [-] Nair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Robin

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 15
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Shulk

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 14 -> 17
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Bowser Jr.

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Duck Hunt

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ryu

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Cloud

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 13 -> 16
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 15 -> 18
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Corrin

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Bayonetta

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 18 -> 19
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Inkling

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Daisy

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ridley

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 13 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Simon

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 18 -> 20
  • [-] SSpecial: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Richter

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 18 -> 20
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Chrom

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 17
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 6

Dark Samus

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [=] Uair: 10 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 16
  • [-] Zair: 10 -> 17
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

King K. Rool

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 14 -> 16
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 15
  • [+] Heavy Landing: 6 -> 5

Isabelle

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [=] Fair: 10 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Ken

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Incineroar

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 15 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Piranha Plant

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 14 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Joker

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] NSpecial: (neutral/up/down) 4/10/10 -> 6/12/12
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Hero

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Banjo

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 18 -> 19
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Terry

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Byleth

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Uair: 12 -> 16
  • [-] Dair: 20 -> 21
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Min Min

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 16
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Steve

  • [-] Nair: 6 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 18 -> 20
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Sephiroth

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 12 -> 15
  • [-] Bair: 15 -> 18
  • [-] Uair: 14 -> 17
  • [=] Dair: 30 -> 30
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Pyra

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 14
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 15
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 14 -> 17
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Mythra

  • [-] Nair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Dair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Kazuya

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [=] Dair: 27 -> 27
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Sora

  • [-] Nair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Uair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Dair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

Mii Brawler

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 8
  • [-] Fair: 9 -> 11
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 8 -> 10
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 14
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 5

Mii Swordfighter

  • [-] Nair: 8 -> 11
  • [-] Fair: 11 -> 13
  • [-] Bair: 9 -> 12
  • [-] Uair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Dair: 12 -> 15
  • [=] Heavy Landing: 5 -> 5

Mii Gunner

  • [-] Nair: 7 -> 9
  • [-] Fair: 10 -> 12
  • [-] Bair: 10 -> 13
  • [-] Uair: 11 -> 14
  • [-] Dair: 13 -> 15
  • [-] NSpecial 2 (laser): 4 -> 6
  • [-] Heavy Landing: 4 -> 6

MadVillainLordQ and others added 30 commits May 23, 2024 20:25
@MadVillainLordQ
Aerial Landing Lag Adjustments
9a1824b
@MadVillainLordQ
Greninja fair update
b52331f
@SuddyN
rewrite guard_off main
301c3f6
@SuddyN
rewrite some guard_damage
269a9b6
@SuddyN
rewrite all the guard damage statuses
16002f2
@SuddyN
various parry cleanups
3bc1c1d
@SuddyN
use set attacker hitlag on parry
d40f8d9
@SuddyN
set defender hitlag
2456de2
@SuddyN
implement OOP
8b69288
@SuddyN
rewrite parry input criteria
cf6c180
@SuddyN
parry window reduction
2ae8212
@SuddyN
implement buffer-based parry window
c2c499a
@SuddyN
prevent buffering parry during shieldstun
8d63de4
@SuddyN
shield values changes
a26ea0a
@SuddyN
shield break rework
228c336
@SuddyN
shield health adjustments again
8b534e6
@SuddyN
shield health adjustments 3.0
d1da65f
@SuddyN
shield damage sweep
66e3dac
@SuddyN
Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/Landing-Lag-Adjustments' into sh…
2376c4e 
…ield-rework
@SuddyN
fix bjr fsmash
c3c3ee5
@SuddyN
fix pit sspecial
aa657aa
@SuddyN
fix ryu jabs
6d53ac9
@SuddyN
shield damage adjustments
311beb8
@SuddyN
fix parry window
29c53f8
@SuddyN
remove debugs
8411292
@SuddyN
nerf shield recovery time
7bc6509
@SuddyN
add COLLISION_KIND_MASK_PARRY
6f0e770
@SuddyN
parry no longer sets shield collision kind
38620ba
@SuddyN
additional on-parry adjustments
a2e0006
@SuddyN
force shield break into neutral getup or roll
c5bc8e4
SuddyN added 8 commits June 10, 2024 17:59
@SuddyN
fix kirby copy ability land cancels
e2e6963
@SuddyN
more landing lag adjustments
0503b71 
- Mario Uair 7 -> 8 -> 9
- Mario Dair 11 -> 13 -> 12
- Pikachu Dair 15 -> 16 -> 15
- Captain Falcon fixed dair to be 15 instead of 12 (gave it wrong name in code)
- Simon Fair 10 -> 14 -> 15
- Simon Uair 10 -> 13 -> 14
- Richter Fair 10 -> 13 -> 14
@SuddyN
heavy landing lag adjustments
8c56c80
@SuddyN
Merge branch 'Landing-Lag-Adjustments' into shield-rework
78b51a9
@SuddyN
infinite parry reflecting
0ee9668
@SuddyN
fix projectile parry bug
f47dedd
@SuddyN
fix fgcs special cancel on parry
20a0631
@SuddyN
more shield damage buffs
2c7bbb2
@SuddyN SuddyN added character change For working on general character changes engine For working on engine changes semver:feature balance approved This change has been approved for balance labels Jun 12, 2024
@github-actions

github-actions Bot commented Jun 12, 2024 •
edited
Loading

Copy link
Copy Markdown

Download the artifacts for this pull request:

blu-dev
blu-dev previously approved these changes Jun 12, 2024
View reviewed changes

@blu-dev blu-dev left a comment

Copy link
Copy Markdown
Contributor

Choose a reason for hiding this comment

The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.

lgtm!

@BEANSS0328

BEANSS0328 commented Jun 12, 2024

Copy link
Copy Markdown
Contributor

Put that shit in!!

@SuddyN SuddyN requested a review from MadVillainLordQ June 12, 2024 02:44
WuBoytH
WuBoytH approved these changes Jun 12, 2024
View reviewed changes

@WuBoytH WuBoytH left a comment

Copy link
Copy Markdown
Collaborator

Choose a reason for hiding this comment

The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.

no furafura common effect smh

@SuddyN

SuddyN commented Jun 12, 2024

Copy link
Copy Markdown
Collaborator Author

no furafura common effect smh

later

@SuddyN SuddyN merged commit 762fc7d into dev Jun 12, 2024
@SuddyN SuddyN changed the title Defensive Mechanics Rewrite Defensive Mechanics Rewrite & Landing Lag Sweep Jun 12, 2024
Sign up for free to join this conversation on GitHub. Already have an account? Sign in to comment

Reviewers

@WuBoytH WuBoytH WuBoytH approved these changes
@SkewedAskew SkewedAskew SkewedAskew approved these changes
@blu-dev blu-dev blu-dev left review comments
@MadVillainLordQ MadVillainLordQ Awaiting requested review from MadVillainLordQ

Assignees

@SuddyN SuddyN

@blu-dev blu-dev

@MadVillainLordQ MadVillainLordQ

Labels

balance approved This change has been approved for balance character change For working on general character changes engine For working on engine changes semver:feature

Projects

None yet

Milestone

No milestone

Development

Successfully merging this pull request may close these issues.

6 participants

@SuddyN @BEANSS0328 @WuBoytH @blu-dev @SkewedAskew @MadVillainLordQ