Ivete Sangalo
Sangalo in 2013, photo by s_bukley/bigstockphoto.com
Birth Name: Ivete Maria Dias de Sangalo
Place of Birth: Juazeiro, Bahia, Brazil
Date of Birth: May 27, 1972/1973
Ethnicity: Brazilian [Portuguese, Spanish, remote African and Indigenous]
Ivete Sangalo is a Brazilian singer, songwriter, television host, and actress. She is nicknamed “Queen of Brazil,” “Veveta,” and “President of Bahia.”
Ivete is the daughter of Maria Ivete Dias da Silva and Alsus Almeida de Sangalo. Her paternal grandfather was Spanish, and most of her ancestry is Portuguese. She is married to Daniel Cady, with whom she has three children. Her paternal grandparents are pictured here.
A DNA test whose results were displayed on the Brazilian show Fantástico in August 2006 stated that Ivete’s genetic ancestry is:
*99.2% European
*0.4% Native Brazilian (Amerindian)
*0.4% Black African
Ivete’s paternal grandfather was Jesús Sangalo Ledesma (who likely was the son of Ricardo de Sangalo/San Galo and María Antonia Ledesma). Jesús was Spanish, and likely was from Ciudad Rodrigo, province of Salamanca, Castile and Leon.
Ivete’s paternal grandmother was named Alzira de Almeida. Alzira was born in Bahia.
Ivete’s maternal grandfather was Antonio Dias da Silva (the son of João Gomes da Silva and Piauilina Dias). Antonio was born in Bahia. João was born in Bahia, the son of Félix José da Silva and Roberta Maria da Rocha Gomes.
Ivete’s maternal grandmother was Maria de Souza da Silva (the daughter of Auto/Aucto Dias da Silva and Maria Mônica de Souza). Ivete’s grandmother Maria was born in Bahia. Auto was the son of José Dias da Silva and Tereza. Ivete’s great-grandmother Maria was the daughter of Salustiano de Souza and Vitalina.
Sources: www.elcorreogallego.es (in Spanish)
http://g1.globo.com (in Portuguese)
Baptism record of Ivete’s mother – https://www.familysearch.org
Birth record of Ivete’s maternal grandmother, Maria de Souza da Silva – https://www.familysearch.org
My best bet is around 80-85% European (mostly Spanish), and the remaining 15-20% being mostly indigenous, from her mom’s side
@passingtime85
Disagree with you about the 250 years thing. About the Moors, they detected abnormal levels of North African Y-Dna in Galicia (a region that was not under Muslim control), where a part of Moors evidently relocated after being officially expelled from Iberia in 1492.
Most relevant text from each link
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3. Autosomal DNA cannot currently reach back farther than five or six generations.
Autosomal DNA testing is most common kind of DNA testing. That’s what is sold by AncestryDNA*, 23andMe, MyHeritage, Living DNA and Family Tree DNA (the Family Finder test). It’s great because it reveals your heritage on both sides of your family tree. Five or six generations sounds like a lot, but many people want to go deeper than their 3x or 4x great-grandparents.
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Most of the DNA tests on offer to family historians, and the only ones you should be seriously considering, are autosomal DNA tests; they can taken by both males and females, and they have the potential to solve puzzles anywhere in your family tree within the last 6 or 7 generations (around 250 years), but can sometimes reach back even further.
https://www.genealogyexplained.com/how-many-generations-does-dna-go-back/
If you’re using an autosomal test such as AncestryDNA, 23andMe, or MyHeritage, you’ll generally go back 6 to 8 generations. Assuming 25 years per generation, you can expect 150-200 years of DNA information by taking an autosomal DNA test.
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Ancestral journeys reveal the shared experiences of a group of people over time. They can show you:
Where your relatives may have lived in the past 300 years, sometimes down to specific towns or counties.
https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004342967-DNA-Ancestry-Timeline
Population geneticists have estimated that the number of years, on average, between the birth of an individual and their child’s birth is about 29 to 30 years.
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The Ancestry Timeline allows customers to go back seven or more generations to discover how their unique ancestral tapestry was woven together.The Ancestry Timeline allows customers to go back seven or more generations to discover how their unique ancestral tapestry was woven together.
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When we say relative, we are referring to individuals who share recent ancestors, and when we say that two individuals are unrelated in this help article, we mean that their common ancestor is 9 or more generations back.
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The vast majority of genetic relatives found by the DNA Relatives feature share a common ancestor within the last five to ten generations. A few may be more distantly related.
So most of the information leans towards an average of 250 years.
Except this
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Our reference datasets include genotypes from 14,812 people who were chosen generally to reflect populations that existed before transcontinental travel and migration were common (at least 500 years ago).
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So theoretically the accuracy can go back 500 years, at least for 23andMe, which is 16-17 generations back.
Although MyHeritage seems to think they can accurately designate pretty far back:
https://education.myheritage.com/article/the-founder-populations-project-how-myheritage-estimates-your-ethnicities/
To create our models for DNA ethnicity comparison, we searched our database for users who had family trees going back at least 6 (sometimes as many as 15) generations in the same region or group.
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Ethnicity estimates can only go back so far: Ethnicity Estimates are based on locations and ethnic groups going back 6–15 generations. It may accurately estimate where your ancestors were located in 1750, but not necessarily in 1350.
But I believe they consider a generation a shorter time period than the 30 year standard, perhaps 25 or 20 years. FamilyTreeDNA also claims 15 generations.
AncestryDNA claims it can go back very far, but they word themselves in a unclear manner:
https://www.ancestry.com/c/dna-learning-hub/autosomal-dna-testing
1.Curiosity about ancestral origins: An autosomal DNA test kit is highly suitable for people who are curious about where their ancestors might have lived. It can give you insights into their origins in the distant past—500 to 1,000 years ago—and the communities they were a part of more recently—50 to 300 years ago.
I guess Ancestry words themselves with the “origins” vs “communities” designations so they can be clear, that the subsections have less accuracy, further back into the heritage.
To me, this all seems like 250 years back is the standard. Although newer tests are being developed with the help of newer tech and methods, I don’t believe the majority of the major companies are implementing them as of yet however.
I’m not a geneticist, but I’ve heard that given dna is always mutating per generation, that’s what makes it harder to trace back so many centuries. Perhaps you can correct me, because human genetics really fascinates me. Your other writing was very informative, thank you passingtime85.
DNA tests do not detect admixture events beyond 250 years.
Only if a haplogroup is from a different regional origin, can they suss out if a person’s heritage has foreign roots. If the present haplogroups are overwritten, to reflect a local origin, the person will score as if they’re local, to any given area.
Example: West European man takes a South Indian bride 300 years ago. A son is born, he has his two parents X and Y haplogroups respectively. He gets married to a West European girl, and he has a son but no daughter, and on and on, but his family never introduces any foreign haplogroups ever again, and all the individuals the descendants married, never intermarried any person of foreign origin either.
So a modern descendant will not have any haplogroups that point to anywhere, except local West European origin. The admixture test can no longer detect the South Indian influence, because grandmother’s DNA was introduced so long ago.
But phenotypically or physiognomy wise, there might* be some lingering differences from “pure” Western Europeans. I doubt anyone would still be able to notice any difference, but it’s possible.
This can happen with women taking foreign husbands too, the haplogroup evidence can be erased, as long as the sex of the child, is different than the sex of the foreign parent. Otherwise if the sex of the child, matches the sex of the foreign parent, and the chain remains unbroken, the transmission of the haplogroup will remain constantly detectable, until an opposite sexed child is born.
People in general forget that Spain and Portugal were occupied by Moors 1,300 years ago. Their presence permanently altered the population of the Iberian peninsula.
If a Spanish person’s family lost the Moorish North African/West Asian/Sub-Saharan African haplogroups, and haven’t reintroduced them into their family gene pool, in the last 300 years, it doesn’t change the fact they probably have non-European roots. Even if it’s no longer detected through an admixture test, the foreign DNA is still there, it’s just older than current methods can detect.
There’s a distinct difference between Iberia and the people in my example of a single admixture event. Where the single event family, probably had their foreign phenotypic traits erased, and Iberians did not lose the traits.
In Iberia, the admixture event occured dozens, to hundreds, if not thousands of times. Children of the admixture events spread non-European genes all over Iberia. The peninsula’s population has been trading and swapping and keeping the traits alive and present for over 1,000 years, they can never be erased because of how ubiquitous they are.
It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme though. 4,000 years ago East/Central European men replaced the local Iberian men, and no one really cares. That probably changed the look of the people as well, but it’s another admixture event, lost to the sands of time.
Long story short Iberia/Spain/Portugal is full of people with non-European/North African heritage and it shows on their face, even if a DNA test says their heritage 99% European. The tests simply do not count for heritage beyond 250 years, and unless the haplogroup is foreign, there’s no way to tell through genetic identification. Unless you’re some ethnic identifying maven.
Or maybe her family’s sliver of sub-Saharan African and indigenous American heritage was very influential on their traits. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
First point:
Haplogroups do not change unless a mutation occurs, which creates a new branch of the original haplogroup. This applies to both paternal and maternal lines, regardless of later genetic mixing between different populations. A well-documented example involves a group of white British men from Yorkshire who shared the rare surname Revis. Although they appeared Northern European, genetic testing revealed they carried a Sub-Saharan African Y-DNA haplogroup. This indicates that their patrilineal ancestor was a Sub-Saharan African who settled in England centuries ago. His descendants retained his haplogroup because haplogroups are passed down unchanged, and even when mutations occur, the resulting subclades can still be traced back to the original lineage.
Second point:
North African and Middle Eastern DNA was already present in Iberia long before the arrival of the Muslims and was not introduced by them. Muslim rule did not permanently alter Iberia’s genetic makeup. Throughout the entire period, Iberia had a larger population than North Africa, and religious conflicts led to mass expulsions. When analyzing paternal and maternal haplogroups, European lineages remain overwhelmingly dominant in Iberia. On the paternal side, European haplogroups such as R1b, I2, and G account for approximately 80–85%. On the maternal side, European haplogroups including H, U, J, T, K, and V make up around 85–90%. Non-European haplogroups, such as E1b1b and J2, typically represent less than 10–15%, with regional variation. These non-European haplogroups were not brought into Iberia by the Muslim presence, but had already been part of the region’s genetic landscape for thousands of years prior. This is supported by genetic research and archaeological evidence, and these findings are widely available in reputable sources online.
no way this woman is 99,02% white
her sister looks black
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I think it must have more than 0.04%, this percentage is quite ridiculous
That is a different person from her sister
Yes, it is her sister, just search the image on Google
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her brother looks whiter
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That’s not his sister. Eye colour is different.
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