{"id":24862,"date":"2024-01-17T17:51:53","date_gmt":"2024-01-17T17:51:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/?p=24862"},"modified":"2025-07-25T17:28:09","modified_gmt":"2025-07-25T17:28:09","slug":"compare","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/compare\/","title":{"rendered":"Better is Better Than Old or New"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;||0px||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]BY BILL STUTZMAN[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=&#8221;2_5,3_5&#8243; make_equal=&#8221;on&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;2_5&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #bfac91;\" class=\"firstletter\">W<\/span>hen it comes to educational comparisons, even classical types might fall for the old fallacy of \u201cchronological snobbery,\u201d as C.S. Lewis called it.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[1]<\/span> In the classical world we readily accept that newer does not equal better, but we sometimes forget the complementary reverse, that older things aren\u2019t inherently better than newer things. Thankfully, we can lean on generations of teachers and learners to help us choose the best books.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=&#8221;3_5&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#f7f7f7&#8243; border_width_all=&#8221;1px&#8221; border_color_all=&#8221;#9b9b9b&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;2%||2%||true|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" style=\"display: inline-block; border-radius: 50%;\" src=\"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/kids_bus_old_new_350x605.png\" width=\"481\" height=\"278\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24876 alignright size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/kids_bus_old_new_350x605.png 605w, https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/kids_bus_old_new_350x605-300x174.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 481px) 100vw, 481px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]When educational theorist and writer Albert Jay Nock delivered a series of lectures at the University of Virginia in 1931, he still saw the Progressive abandonment of a classical education as experimental. He summarized the arguments for the new system along the lines of \u201cpractical\u201d use:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px; color: #b47338;\"><strong>Too much attention has been paid to the languages, literature and history of classical antiquity, which were all of far less than doubtful value to the youth of twentieth-century America. The thing now was to introduce the sciences, living languages and the useful arts, to make instruction vocational, to open all manner of opportunities for vocational study, and to induce youth into our institutions for pretty strictly vocational purposes.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[2]<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The dominoes surrounding this mentality predictably fell, and within a very short period of time, education as it was once known in the U.S. (and the West) rode off into the sunset. Nock\u2019s book, <em>The Theory of Education in the United States<\/em>, explains the fallout and failure as viewed from the leading edge of the change\u2014like the Jews returned from exile who wept at the memory of the temple\u2019s former glory. \u201cYet after three decades of this,\u201d says Nock, \u201cour system gives no better satisfaction, apparently, than it did before.\u201d<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[3]<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px; color: #b47338;\"><strong>Yes, yes, we kept saying, let us but just install this one new method in the secondary schools, or this one new set of curricular changes in the under- graduate college, or this one grand new scheme for broadening the scope of university instruction, and in a year or so it will prove itself to be the very thing we have all along been needing; and this, that or the other batch of pedagogical problems will be laid to eternal rest.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[4]<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The trouble, of course, was that our pedagogical prob- lems were just beginning. Fast forward nine decades. A number of comparisons have surfaced between the curricula of today and the curricula of 100 years ago (or more), and the differences both amuse and convict.[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section][et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||0px||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<span style=\"font-size: 45px; color: #bfac91;\"><strong>O<\/strong><\/span>ne of the most striking examples comes in the form of an 8th grade exit exam for Bullitt County (Kentucky) Schools in 1912.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[5]<\/span> In case you\u2019re curious, copies of the original test (with answers) can be procured from the county\u2019s history museum; but even a cursory digital glance tells you enough. Start scrolling, and keep scrolling, and keep scrolling. You\u2019ll find questions ranging from classic story problems in math to putting complex decimal numbers into word form, naming and defining all the parts of speech in English (no hints or multiple choice here!), parsing sentences (does anyone even know what that means anymore?), arranging states in order by area, writing short essays comparing and explaining body systems, defining and analyzing multiple forms of government (including but not limited to our own), naming current elected officials at all levels, and (dare I say?) much more. Perhaps my favorite is the simple two-word prompt: \u201cDecline \u2018I\u2019.\u201d Are any students today familiar with the very notion of declining a noun or pronoun? The test is an education in itself, and it could only have been produced from the fading capital of a richer educational tradition that preceded it.<\/p>\n<p>Suffice it to say, modern exit exams could not hold a candle to this Kentucky test from the year the Titanic sank to the bottom of the Atlantic (which those students could locate on a map much more readily than today\u2019s). For that matter, Oregon recently made headlines for extending their suspension of high-school exit exams altogether.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[6]<\/span> Unfortunately, assessments present the risky possibility of, well, assessing. We might not want to know how well we\u2019ve been instructed (not to be confused with educated, says Nock).[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section][et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||0px||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<span style=\"font-size: 45px; color: #bfac91;\"><strong>A<\/strong><\/span> similarly popular comparison involving one Minnesota community\u2019s 8th grade book lists from 1908 and 2016 can be found in an article posted by Annie Holmquist.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[7]<\/span> While the 1908 list is littered with what we would now consider classics from authors like Longfellow, Hawthorne, Poe, Dickens, Stevenson, Irving, Kipling, and Cooper, the 2016 list includes only one stand-out author from before the 20th Century (Mark Twain), and two modern \u201cclassics\u201d in <em>Fahrenheit 451<\/em> and <em>The Diary of Anne Frank<\/em>. Yet even the 1908 list lacks anything prior to the modern period (or the mid-1700s, for that matter). Where did all the Great Books go?[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section][et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<span style=\"font-size: 45px; color: #bfac91;\"><strong>A<\/strong><\/span> scan of summer reading suggestions for K-8th grades from the Association of Library Service to Children (ALSC), a division of the American Library Association, presents an even bleaker picture. Don\u2019t expect to find favorites like <em>Little House in the Big Woods, The Princess and the Goblin<\/em>, or <em>Charlotte\u2019s Web<\/em> here; they\u2019re too busy pointing kids to graphic novels and works covering social justice or embracing gender identities.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[8]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>We might be tempted to long for the \u201cgood ol\u2019 days.\u201d But when we do this, we haven\u2019t fully appreciated the categorical difference between a classical and a contemporary education. While it\u2019s true that many more of the books from 1908 survive as \u201cclassics\u201d to our day, they were still quite contemporary for the time. Nock helps us recognize that in 1908\u2014the early days of Progressive educational reforms\u2014the bias already tilted towards \u201crecent\u201d works. It\u2019s just that those (classically educated) authors still reflected the fruit of their education before it had been stripped away. How many of today\u2019s names will we recognize as \u201cclassics\u201d in 100 years?<\/p>\n<p>The same year Nock delivered his speeches, the <em>New York Times<\/em> published its first \u201cBest Sellers\u201d list, and it has created controversy ever since.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[9]<\/span> For almost 100 years, these lists have included the latest and greatest books available to contemporary readers. But something has been left out of those numbers\u2014classic literature.<span style=\"vertical-align: super; font-size: smaller;\">[10]<\/span> Like the ideals it drives, the <em>Times<\/em> reflects an underlying worldview that rejects the riches of the Western canon in favor of contemporary thought, even in its book lists.<\/p>\n<p>So, while comparisons between the modern book lists at the beginning of the Progressive era and those of our day may be amusing, they really only help us put the value of a classical Christian education in perspective all the more. When your children read Homer, Virgil, Dante, Milton, Aristotle, Augustine, Shakespeare, and even more recent authors like Dickens, Twain, Stowe, Orwell, Lewis, and Tolkien, they find themselves stepping into a Great Tradition and Conversation that outlives current events and considerations, yet incredibly enfolds them all the same.<\/p>\n<p>We can, and we ought, to do better than trade new modern with merely older modern. Pick up a generations-tested classic with your kids, and discover just how much more relevant a timeless tale is than the most \u201crelevant\u201d modern attempt. And you might want to throw out those public library lists and trade them for one from your nearest classical Christian school. \u2724[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section][et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; hover_enabled=&#8221;0&#8243; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; sticky_enabled=&#8221;0&#8243;]<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border-radius: 50%;\" class=\"wp-image-24869 alignleft size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/StutzmanBill_x512.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"125\" height=\"125\" srcset=\"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/StutzmanBill_x512.png 512w, https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/StutzmanBill_x512-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/StutzmanBill_x512-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/StutzmanBill_x512-440x440.png 440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 125px) 100vw, 125px\" \/>\u00a0<strong>BILL STUTZMAN <\/strong>has engaged in classical Christian education for more than 20 years. He has taught multiple ages and stages, from 6th-grade homeroom at The Ambrose School (Boise, ID) to instructor of Humanities, Rhetoric, Orchestra, and even some Science and Math, both at Ambrose and at The Oaks Classical Christian Academy (Spokane, WA). He has also spoken and written nationally, developed curriculum, and overseen staff and students as an administrator at these schools and at Calvin Christian School (Escondido, CA) and Classical Christian Academy (Rathdrum, ID), where he was most recently Headmaster. Bill holds an M.A. in English Literature with undergraduate minors in Music and French, and he loves writing and performing music and poetry, reading, and learning as a lifelong pursuit. He and his lovely wife Cherise have three grown, classically educated children. He is thrilled to be partnering with schools at Concordis.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section][et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bullittcountyhistory.com\/bchistory\/schoolexam1912.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bullitt County 8th Grade Exit Exam<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/intellectualtakeout.org\/2016\/07\/middle-school-reading-lists-100-years-ago-vs-today\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Reading List Comparison<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ala.org\/alsc\/publications-resources\/book-lists\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ALA Reading Lists<\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<div style=\"font-size: 88%;\">1<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cslewisinstitute.org\/resources\/c-s-lewis-on-chronological-snobbery\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.cslewisinstitute.org\/resources\/c-s-lewis-on-chronological-snobbery\/<\/a><br \/>\n2Albert J. Nock, The Theory of Education in the United States. Mises Institute: Auburn, Alabama (2007), 11.<br \/>\n3Ibid, 12.,<br \/>\n4Ibid, 13.<br \/>\n5<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bullittcountyhistory.com\/bchistory\/schoolexam1912.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.bullittcountyhistory.com\/bchistory\/schoolexam1912.html<\/a><br \/>\n6<a href=\"https:\/\/thehill.com\/opinion\/education\/4288044-oregon-just-dropped-all-%20graduation-standards-failing-all-of-its-students-in-the-name-of-equity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/thehill.com\/opinion\/education\/4288044-oregon-just-dropped-all- graduation-standards-failing-all-of-its-students-in-the-name-of-equity\/<\/a><br \/>\n7<a href=\"https:\/\/intellectualtakeout.org\/2016\/07\/middle-school-reading-lists-100-years-ago-vs-today\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/intellectualtakeout.org\/2016\/07\/middle-school-reading-lists-100-years-ago-vs-today\/<\/a><br \/>\n8<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ala.org\/alsc\/publications-resources\/book-lists\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.ala.org\/alsc\/publications-resources\/book-lists<\/a><br \/>\n9<a href=\"https:\/%20\/ archive.org\/details\/nytimesbestsellerlist-oct121931\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/ \/ archive.org\/details\/nytimesbestsellerlist-oct121931<\/a><br \/>\n10Cowles, Gregory (June 2, 2013). \u201cInside the List\u201d. The New York Times Book Review, cited in <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list#cite_ref-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list#cite_ref-13<\/a><\/div>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.23&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Minnesota-book-list-quote-609x500-1.png\" width=\"535\" height=\"439\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24877 aligncenter size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Minnesota-book-list-quote-609x500-1.png 609w, https:\/\/classicaldifference.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Minnesota-book-list-quote-609x500-1-300x246.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 535px) 100vw, 535px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>BY BILL STUTZMANWhen it comes to educational comparisons, even classical types might fall for the old fallacy of \u201cchronological snobbery,\u201d as C.S. 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